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Club Alleva Coppolo (part 3)

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This thread is absolutely killin' me.

Survey: How many of you are completely happy with the poly finish vs. the nitro ? Do you have second thoughts or regrets getting poly?

The nitro apparently has more true-tone as the wood dries and the finish shrinks/cracks/chips. I don't know if my ear would be good enough to tell and difference. So basically it's True Tone over your interpretation of aesthetics. Some love the new look while other like the vintage look as the nitro ages and does it's thing.

I've already pm'd a few of you about this so feel free to comment or not. I also talked with Jimmy a bit yesterday for the first time. Awesome Guy for sure.

My interest is a 4 string standard jazz.
Rosewood board w/dots.
Alder body.
(not sure about finish color or type)
Tort P/G
AC pickups
AC 2-band
AC passive tc
Chrome hardware
vol/vol/ptc/eq/eq no plate

I would like the Hipshot B bridge, but Jimmy dosen't offer it in a 4 string. I'd have to go with a bent plate or Badass type.

Anyway, I'm just thinking about it and want to learn more first.

TIA


No regrets on my poly. Per our PM, I would personally never own a nitro finished bass (been there and done that with an FBass:hmm:). I am one who believes there is no impact on sound, and I could never deal with the dings and chips myself.

That being said, if I wanted to aesthetically go for a very vintage looking instrument, that nitro 3T burst is about as 'classic' and accurate as I've seen, and that sort of finish dinged up a bit actually looks OK to me, since we are so used to seeing the old Fenders all chipped up, etc.

I absolutely love the finish on the A-C though... hard and durable, and the 'metal flake' sort of thing going on in the paint is very cool looking to me.


Pure IMO!

PS Bent plate bridge all the way with that more vintage spec IMO!
 
Thanks fellas... still learning and listening.
Yes, it can be a "polarizing" decison for some of us.
(Love that Bernie C. and his word-smithing):D

Why the bent plate Ken? Is that a quick change string type ?

Pure aesthetics. The BadAss always screamed 'hot rodded 70's J' to me. That bent plate looks great with the more traditional LG vibe to me.

Quick change becomes a little bit of a moot point when you have a 'string tree bar' anyway, so that wouldn't matter to me.

The bent plate just looks like it should go with those basses... especially the LG models.

Again, pure IMO. I am one who also believes different bridges have very minimal (if any) impact on the tone of an instrument, so I choose primarily based on look and 'quality/ruggedness'.
 
I'm string-change challenged for some reason. I have little trouble with my Sadowsky that has very similar style bridge to a Hipshot B and I like the fact that I can change the strings back and fourth without pulling them through a hole like some types. My Nordy bent-style bridge looks and sounds fantastic but I have a bad time winding the string and keeping the knurl/barrel end in the bridge slot as it pops out ... I need a third hand. :rolleyes: Plus, I like the heaftyness of the Sadowsky and HipShot B lookswise and (maybe :ninja: ) soundwise.


edit: I will probably go for poly and bent-bridge if I order.
 
I went Nitro mainly as an experiment for myself. I am not trying to fool myself into thinking it will sound noticebly different than the poly finish. But, it was Jimmy's recommendation and I have never owned a bass with nitro finish so I thought I would get it a try. My wife thinks I am making a mistake, because I am much like Ken -- I can get worked up about dings and dents. Heck, all of my instruments, except my Ken Smith which came pre-PLAYED, look brand new. That isn't because they aren't played, but because I am pretty careful with them.
 
I've wanted Nitro all along. Like others have said, Jimmy recommended it to me. It adds to the mystique of bass. (purely IMO)

The difference may not be big enough to notice in a band mix but I didn't do it just for that either. I like the way an aged Nitro finish looks and any tonal benefits are a good thing as well.
 
I've wanted Nitro all along. Like others have said, Jimmy recommended it to me. It adds to the mystique of bass. (purely IMO)

The difference may not be big enough to notice in a band mix but I didn't do it just for that either. I like the way an aged Nitro finish looks and any tonal benefits are a good thing as well.

+1.. pure personal taste on this one... no 'better or worse'.
 
I've wanted Nitro all along. Like others have said, Jimmy recommended it to me. It adds to the mystique of bass. (purely IMO)

The difference may not be big enough to notice in a band mix but I didn't do it just for that either. I like the way an aged Nitro finish looks and any tonal benefits are a good thing as well.

Also very good reasoning. I'll really consider all I've learned.
Thanks for everyone's input.
 
+1 Badass does seem like HR jazz to me too..

However, my findings when we were doing tests on the bridges for jimmy's basses were that we went though a few different metals. Aluminum, brass, steel and combinations of each..machined from solid material and potted..it took some time and alot of back and forth....Settled on a brass combo finally.. I wouldn't exactly call it minimal difference.. But i would estimate it was maybe a 15% difference..
And my original bridge on my early production LPB LG5 was a badass5. I am not sure of the material makeup of the BAdass.. It too sounded different than the "B"
The badass has weight to it or should i say Mass.. weight and mass are different things i recon.. maybe i should say density... but when you tapped on the badass it sounded different than the "B"..

What i noticed with the Aluminum one that looks exactly like the one one that he uses now. But the aluminum was very noticeable truncated on each end of the audio spectrum.. it was almost as if you had a graphic eq and lowered the deep lows and the top top end by multiple dB.. Some people may like that.. If you were listening to it you would say it had a mid bump but it actually attenuated the highs and lows giving the impression of boosted mids..

After listening tests i ran it though soundforge and took imprints of the actual freqs just to see if what i heard was really happening.> it was an education.. The bridges were identical except for material make up... The aluminum bridge also had different attack or seemed to have a different attack since the fundamental seems to have shifted..
The Brass combo seems to be more flat (if that pertains to this) sounding with a nice attack and best of both worlds...
The Bent Plate still has not been AB against the standard and i will try to get to it this week. It is on the kbp5 and that bass is very punchy.. I want to see what difference the bridge makes.. And see how much the bent plate contributes to the punch if any...
If i do get to do it this week .. i will again try it in soundforge to see what freq curves there may be if any.. Just some of my findings on that subject RE: the Allevas,, They may react differently on a bass made of Maple or another material.. I dont know..
But overall I sort of like what is going on with his basses right now...
He has a few things on the drawing board for next NAMM.. but still only in planning stages..




Pure aesthetics. The BadAss always screamed 'hot rodded 70's J' to me. That bent plate looks great with the more traditional LG vibe to me.

Quick change becomes a little bit of a moot point when you have a 'string tree bar' anyway, so that wouldn't matter to me.

The bent plate just looks like it should go with those basses... especially the LG models.

Again, pure IMO. I am one who also believes different bridges have very minimal (if any) impact on the tone of an instrument, so I choose primarily based on look and 'quality/ruggedness'.
 
Oh Jimmy made a few basses with spalt alder?

Jimmy made two Limited basses with that plank of spalted alder. The one you see in the youtube video is the same one that's up for sale on the AC website and not the one that I currently own. Some slight differences between the two...the fingerboard on that one is Bocote, and the pickups are in 60's position. The knobs are also different. I remember when Jin stopped by the AC booth at NAMM and picked up the Limited. "Ohh, so light." I also remember the big grin on his face as he played one of the ACs, not sure if it was the Limited. I guess he made his way out to Jimmy's shop to play it this time.
 
I spoke with Jimmy and my bass is done. There was one small issue. I planned on a nitro finish on the body with poly for the neck as the poly on my LG-5 feels great. Jimmy's painter shot the neck with nitro ... oops :D. Ships tomorrow and I'll have it Thursday. Heres a pic from Jimmy of the finished bass. I'll be sure to post more when it arrives.

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Dave
 
Dave,

Trust me. it is not a mistake! This is a case of luck turning in your favor. I have nitro on mine and I was very set against it before Jimmy asked me to trust him. I am very happy that I did. I guarantee that you won't be sorry! I know you will love it! Congratulations on a great bass!

Peace,

T

I spoke with Jimmy and my bass is done. There was one small issue. I planned on a nitro finish on the body with poly for the neck as the poly on my LG-5 feels great. Jimmy's painter shot the neck with nitro ... oops :D. Ships tomorrow and I'll have it Thursday. Heres a pic from Jimmy of the finished bass. I'll be sure to post more when it arrives.

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Dave
 
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