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Club Moollon

I'm personally hoping that the announcement is that they're expanding and hiring more staff. The demand is there, along with a healthy backlog of orders. I appreciate the level of detail that's going into the Moollon instruments, but sometimes a builder needs to take a step back and lead a team that can live up to the standards that he has set.
 
Hey everyone. I am not a member of Facebook, but I took a gander at the group page and found a reply from Andi that he posted yesterday regarding the current backlog schedule. Here is what he had to say:

"August - October 2020 was one of those massive surge order terms that has been difficult to get through, and YJ is working hard to finish them in sequence and move on to early 2021 orders, 2020 orders on the whole currently being at least 8 months late. Your patience is greatly appreciated."

I ordered my JV in late August or early September of 2020, so hopefully my 5 string beauty in OTM is on the bench now! Having played @600 Ohms' JV a number of times, I can't tell you how excited I am for this bass to arrive. Every Moollon is a masterpiece of playability and tone!

Andi expressed the health problems his family is facing right now, so anyone seeing this, please be patient and allow the Moollon team some breathing room. Andi, if you are reading this, I am wishing you the absolute best and am rooting for you and the Mrs. with all my heart.
 
Posted by Andi on Facebook not that long ago:

"Thanks to everyone for hanging in there waiting to hear the news, and apologies for the long silence. I’ll try keep things as simple as possible with this very wordy post, and a separate mini Q&A for 2022 will be posted.
The good news: Moollon will continue.
For its 20+ years of operation and 15 years of making the Classic Series of guitars and basses, many of you know that Moollon isn’t your average company, in that it has never been profitable, and those who have read our old FAQ or interacted with early members of the Moollon family have probably known full-well that Moollon has existed to make available reproductions of early-year models at an affordable price, hoping that talents both young and old who appreciate the sounds of the 1950s and beyond can have a taste of early-production-year construction and resulting tone/resonance that will only improve with age, without having to worry about prices that are far out of reach.
The is the still core of Moollon, and YJ has always wanted to maintain that affordability is front and center, even to his loss.
However, the pandemic brought about unexpected rise in costs that made the Moollon mission all the more difficult, that being of (1) more expensive shipping from the Moollon shop to each build’s destination, and (2) price of high-quality North American wood products, of course in Moollon’s case that being of maple, alder, and swamp ash. The second of these two points (no small part due to all wood being imported goods) was the most significant jump, which after 2+ years of biting the bullet with every outgoing parcel, led to a minimal rate hike: implementation of charging for shipping for Moollon basses and guitars, for orders placed as of March 1st. 2022…with consideration regarding how in the world we’ll be able to proceed with future orders.
To be sure, the US$300 jump a few years ago was made to better reflect the cost things even before the pandemic even hit, but in reality, without outright doubling prices, Moollon will simply continue to (and progressively) be in the red.
Remember, this is a one man affair: 20+ layers of thin lacquer having to be sprayed outside of city limits in a separate facility, pre-CBS-spec Moollon hardware, handwound pickups, the highest quality North American woods (alder, swamp ash, maple) and makassar ebony for fretboards hand selected by YJ, then dealing with outgoing taxes and the like means things are far from lacking...Moollon as a solo-luthier deal from start to finish cannot be a profitable endeavor.
At the volume they’re produced (and please remember this as you read all the way to the bottom), the key point to note is that the more Moollons are made, in reality the greater a financial loss it actually translates into for the company, not profit. But as we all know, continuing the brand is YJ’s passion, and to have others appreciate the work and results are what makes Moollon what it is, is everything.
Sure, the easy route to financial success could be argued, and the last 5 years in particular have led to a number of email inquiries (curiously enough, most of them being US-based dealers) making some rather spirited…well, “suggestions” to increase production and get a few into their shops: The point conveyed has been “compromise where it wouldn’t seem to matter”, then implying the likes of high volume production, CNC pre-shaped body/neck components, easily-hardening polyurethane finishes, and what I’d assume to all be (even though they didn’t mention these two) mass-produced pot-steel hardware and bulk pickups with bar magnets if needed… all assembled by a team of "more than one person". But ask yourself: who would buy something like that, as it no longer has anything to do with how Moollon guitars and basses always been done since the start of the Classic Series…save the label on the signature bumpy Moollon headstock? Stop me if you’ve heard this one before.
And moving on.
BTW, glad you see you’ve read this far.
Time for the gritty bits.
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To keep the brand going, pricing on new orders placed as of June 1st 2022 is significantly higher. It reflects real-world costs and the best compromise we can make, and essentially done in order to do nothing more than “hopefully break even at the end of the fiscal year”, even though that’s much more optimistic than reality. Base prices should be enough to grasp what this means:
• Models and starting prices
1960s-style P-Classic IV / J-Classic IV : $2990
1960s-style P-Classic V / J-Classic V : $3690
1951 or 1956 P-Classic IV : $3490
Shipping cost : based on destination, as of 2022 most regions are about US$180 and up.
• Finish options
Standard opaque finishes : Included in price
Metallic finishes : $200
Sparkle finishes : $400
Matching headstock : $300
Body aging + weather checking (AKA “light relic”) $400
• 1950s-style options on 1960s-style models
Swamp ash body (Blonde, 2TS finish etc.) : $250
1-piece maple board/neck : $250
• 1966/1970s options on 1960s-style models
Bound neck : $300
Fretboard blocks (only w/bound neck) : $500
• Other options
Pickguard notching + truss rod routing: $150 (unchanged)
Anodized pickguard on P-IV (split coil p’up P-IV): $100
1970s pick spacing on a J-IV or J-V : $250
LH model availability : P-IV only, +10% of total price
Fretless J-IV or P-IV : N/A until further notice
. . . . .
We understand the above pricing will likely change the landscape of things here, on Reverb, and no doubt in discussion on TB and beyond. No doubt this will also lead to even more aggressive poaching of the local used market in Korea for export abroad than at the present (which greatly saddens us, since YJ has always been a supporter of maintaining the livelihood of local used markets everywhere), but alas Moollon is not in a position to complain about a healthy state of capitalism or those who understandably can take advantage of market demand; what people do with a used Moollon is none of our business.
The Moollon core philosophy for affordable vintage-spec goodness (even in the used market) simply cannot beat out opportunity when found to be coupled with worldwide demand, and we accept the reality of how things have become…the real conundrum for us being that Korean dealers can’t even keep their stock specifically intended to be sold to actual local musicians...a legitimate route to buy their stock and ship them abroad has already been found and legitimately exploited, much to our disappointment. We accept that this is unavoidable.
And as we've always asserted, we hope deep down that each Moollon will find its eventual owner. Add to that as the times-are-a-changing, it is our hope that excessive hoarding won't be a thing as the demand increases, and that a trusty and clunky old Moollon in ones hands will be nothing more than pure inspiration for its owner that's begging to be played and enjoyed to the fullest, rather than a pristine 4/5-stringed burden in a box
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All in all, we're grateful it’s not the end of the world. We hope that people will enjoy what they’ve already purchased, and that YJ’s future offerings will be available as long as he’s available.
Thanks as always to those who believe in what YJ has made so much effort to become an affordable reality for so many of us, and we'll see how long this journey will take everyone who is along for the ride."
 
...and here's the mini Q&A he mentioned:

"Mini Q&A for 2022...
Q: How much is the deposit to start an order?
A: 20% of total price, non-refundable.
Q: Is body aging and neck options like matching headstock and binding really back on the menu?
A: Yes, but prices are significantly higher, and the more such goodies you add, the longer your order will take to be completed. See immediately below regarding this very important point.
Q: Well then, how long will it take for an order to be completed?
A: The official word from Boss is “at least 24 months, probably longer”. Note that this is as clear as we can be (beyond the somewhat more realistic 36 - 42 months as quote in the past year and up the the present), the ongoing delay in current orders being the result of a number of factors, including previous finishing errors, miscalculation of time estimate as based on at least three sudden surges in orders, and unfortunately, some orders being so incredibly complicated and as far away from a “Plain Jane P-Classic IV in Olympic White” as you can get.
This last point affects everything from now on: builds for YJ are still mostly groups of linear jobs in progress, but YJ has faced up to the reality of the work and how it relates to actual completion, and future customers should not have to be put at a greater delay as a result of past customers ordering “the works”, and only having those builds shipped out before the next could be readied. In others words, the more you have added to an order, that much more than “24 months, probably longer” can be expected. We know this us really hard to accept, since we all want a tangible figure (and nearly half of my email replies since early 2021 has pertained to trying my best to guess how long until their already-delayed order will be done + calm the masses in the process).
In similar news, during the pandemic one fellow was emailing us every 4 weeks or so for an update and continuously could not accept the fact that YJ doesn’t log individual build progress prior to assembly. Suffice to say, he ended up cancelling his order, and we hope to be all the more clearer in the future regarding the above: more features (1) equals longer time, and (2) how much longer than 24 months from day of order cannot be ascertained.
Q: Can I change the my order after paying the deposit, having confirming the specs?
A: No, and for the sake other customers in line we’re putting out foot down once and for all on this matter as of this update. YJ did his darnedest to accommodate as many changes in finish requests as he could in the past (and there was quite a few in the pandemic), but in 20/20 hindsight especially during the past few years we admit this actually ended up probably contributing to the delay in overall orders by about 3 months, since orders needed to be completed in a linear fashion (parallel with similar completion period, even though YJ is not an assembly line), and every time customers started seeing orders placed after theirs pop up online as being received, we’d invariably get an earful that could have been prevented.
Please note that this point was already made in the old FAQ, and again, out of respect for others who have ordered before (and also after) oneself, we’re not making any more exceptions. When specs are confirmed and the deposit paid, it’s locked in for good. Relatively simple things like the addition of notched pickguard and truss rod access, drilling for ashtrays and tug-bar, and of course pickguard of choice etc. is easy stuff...but changing finish or adding a matching headstock option is a no-go.
Q: If shipping costs are now charged for each order and added to the final balance, how much is to be expected?
A: The cost will indeed be added to the final balance, and is based on destination. Currently it’s about $180 for most territories, but will be determined case-by-case and will be 100% transparent to the recipient. Suffice to say, we're not making any money off of shipping, but you knew that.
Q: If prices have gone up as listed, does that mean that my unpaid balance is now higher? (This is an actual question asked)
A: No, and that would be rather cruel of us if we actually did that. The price as quoted stands, as it should.
Q: What about the rumored 1951 short scale P-Classic IV?
A: YJ has been beyond busy in the past few years, and hasn’t been able to proceed beyond the idea of the prototype. We have received so much email about the rumors of this model coming out, and there is no need to ask us. If it ever comes out then you will know about it. Until then, it’s safe to assume that it does not exist, and we will tell you that it won’t exist if asked
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Q: Still no Indian Rosewood option?
A: Nope, it never was an option and never will be. The “chimera” found in the Surf Green J-Classic V prototype somewhere still out there is the only one.
Q: Why are fretless necks N/A at the moment?
A: Low-volume specialty Moollon components is still the handiwork of YJ (including him applying epoxy to a slab fretboard), and is not outsourced. And streamlining things best he can until the build list is somewhat more down to size is good for keeping the train rolling at a smooth pace. Hopefully it will be back later, but we’ll have to see.
Q: Why did Root Beer Sparkle get discontinued?
A: It didn’t, and we have no idea where this curiously specific rumor came from, coming full circle and being asked of us in email requests. A number of sparkle finishes are still available (+$400 upcharge), but are limited to Gold Sparkle, Red Sparkle, Root Beer Sparkle, and Purple Sparkle.
Q: Why do your sparkle finishes feel funky?
A: Sparkles feel funky, and nitro is thin. Despite being so incredibly thin, the large-flake sparkles used aren’t invisible, and when covering the entirety of an alder body, they will not feel 100% flat against the wood, under the finish. What’s more is that YJ sprays nitrocellulose lacquer in very thin coats, in order to ultimately let the wood breathe. Suffice to say, the 25 or so coats of clearcoat lacquer applied cannot cover a texture like sparkle flakes in the same manner that a goopy blanket of polyurethane with hardeners can. In fact, it would probably take at least 60 - 70 coats to get anywhere close to the flakes being altogether undetectable.
Q: Don’t you think that the significant hike in prices will greatly discourage potential customer from ordering and actually be bad for business and company image?
A: It’s a tough place to be in, that more orders has never equalled greater profit for Moollon, and will continue to be the case even with the prices raised like this. This is a matter of keeping things going with the most reasonable compromise. The used market will swiftly become a rather toasty place for buying and selling at a range of pricing only to be guessed, and models both new and old will likely be open to reinterpretation by both players and distant observers alike. The bottom line is that YJ intends to keep the ship sailing as long as possible, and we appreciate everyone who has joined us for the ride and has believed in what he is trying to offer.
Q: Can't I just pay more money to get a rush order and receive my Moollon sooner than your 24+ month estimate?
A: Sorry, but nope. Paying us more money so that several dozen customers patiently waiting for their Moollon bass get their orders even later than they hoped wouldn't be very nice of us at all. Wouldn't you agree?"
 
Thanks for sharing that here! The 5 stringers and the 50's P are in a different price league now, as they probably should always have been looking at the competition. Unfortunately they won't be reaping the benefits until they start delivery of orders placed after June 1st, which won't be for a couple of years. Let's hope this slinks down the queue a bit, though it probably won't keep me from ordering a '56 P after I receive my 60's P Classic (whenever that may be, ordered may 2020). :hyper:
 
Uh oh. Poor Andi, here comes an onslaught of new emails requesting stuff on their order that was unavailable for a time. I really wanted block/binding on my J-V build but it was unavailable when I first ordered… I’m sure I’m not alone.

Bottom line, thank goodness YJ and Andi are continuing to produce and ship these fabulous instruments. They are worth the new pricing and I doubt it will slow down production much. With some options back on the table I could see another rush of orders.
 
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Lucky I got a 51 ordered before the price jump. Now the question: what’s the difference between the 51 and 56? Couldn’t find anything.

I find the new prices more then fair and happy to see the company making good changes to keep things afloat.
Dibs :cool:

I thought the main difference was the body contour introduced by Leo in '55 or '56. But I'm not much of a Fender guru, nor am I in the know on the Moollon specs of these. The only thing I know is I'd love a Sting style P (he mostly plays a '57).
 
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Uh oh. Poor Andi, here comes an onslaught of new emails requesting stuff on their order that was unavailable for a time. I really wanted block/binding on my J-V build but it was unavailable when I first ordered… I’m sure I’m not alone.

Bottom line, thank goodness YJ and Andi are continuing to produce and ship these fabulous instruments. They are worth the new pricing and I doubt it will slow down production much. With some options back on the table I could see another rush of orders.
order another, and sell the first.
 
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Anywhere from $2,990 to around $6K. It’s all included in this thread, just a handful of posts above yours. Lots of new info/pricing on the different instruments and options.

Not sure how you got 6k from all that....but after doing some math, yeah looks like it. A sparkle 5 string Jazz with matching headstock, relic job, bound neck, fretboard blocks, truss rod hole, and 70s spacing comes out to $5,990. Dang
 
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