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Club Sadowsky!!!

I've never heard it put this way, and I like it:

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But no reason to be doctrinaire here - let a thousand flowers bloom...it's all good!
VERY interesting indeed, so while OT (sorry), I had to look it up. It's origin is also very interesting...

Let a thousand flowers bloom is a common misquotation of Chairman Mao Zedong's "Let a hundred flowers blossom". This slogan was used during the period of approximately six weeks in the summer of 1957 when the Chinese intelligentsia were invited to criticize the political system then obtaining in Communist China.

The full quotation, taken from a speech of Mao's in Peking in February 1957, is:

"Letting a hundred flowers blossom and a hundred schools of thought contend is the policy for promoting progress in the arts and the sciences and a flourishing socialist culture in our land."

It is sometimes suggested that the initiative was a deliberate attempt to flush out dissidents by encouraging them to show themselves as critical of the regime. Whether or not it was a deliberate trap isn't clear but it is the case that many of those who put forward views that were unwelcome to Mao were executed.
 
Joebone said:
Interesting discussion, indeed.

My background is on trombone, on which players work hard to develop technique and strength to extend their range in both directions, especially the high end. The notion of being able to simply "buy"extra range is mind-boggling! My own attraction to 24-fret 5-string instruments is probably rooted in that simple fact. I guess the logical outcome here would be 6 or more strings, but I'm not so sold on the timbre of a C-string, and have been daunted by the muting and left-hand reach issues (I have average-sized hands), although as i get more technique perhaps the muting needn't be so much of a problem.

I've played covers in the past, but they are not part of my current scene. Even if in a cover situation, I think it would be cool to drop into that lower register, and there certainly is the ability to use different positions/patterns. But I also dig having a wider range of places to play the same notes - I like being able to get a fatter timbre by playing higher frets on lower strings, than would be an option on a 4. BTW, this is where the Sadowskys kill, because the B string is quite usable for the notes I can reasonably grab on it (not really beyond the 15th fret, but totally loving how the Sadowsky 5-24 keeps it together where I do play - lots of lesser instruments get weird beyond the 8th fret, or don't speak clearly into the low end).

When comping in a jazz context, I love being able to bounce chords and triple stops off of that B-string; some major convenience and flexibility there. When soloing, I'm again digging that flexibility and range of options, both for placement/convenience, and for deliberate timbre choices.

Then consider the question of 4-string familiarity. I've played bass on and off, largely as a goof, since the late '70's, but have gone 4-5 years at a time, several times, without touching the instrument. Once I started getting more serious, round about 2006, I wrestled back and forth, with several false starts on 5-string, but ultimately decided to give it a few months where I'd just play 5. That was several years ago, and I'm not looking back...but I totally get how a serious four-string player, with a whole lot of muscle memory and experience, would have trouble adjusting to 5...I didn't find it easy at first, as a piker.

I've been briefly exposed to D-tuners and understand why folks would dig them, but for me just bringing the extra string works a whole lot better. And again, I'm not rocking out such that extra weight or the "look" is an issue in any way.

De-tuning is a whole different kettle of fish - I totally get why folks may go for the differences in range/timbre/stringfeel that come from going that route. My mind was blown when I first heard D'Angelo's Voodoo album, and I get that detuning has been used from metal to gospel. But I'm often doing things where folks are playing unfamiliar material, with guitarists (and sometimes me) checking out hand placement to confirm the key or changes, so I'm so far disinclined to detune, although reading that Nathan Watts detunes to E-flat certainly got my attention - I LOVE his playing.

Anyhow, at this point, I am 98% of the way toward selling my two remaining 4-string basses - I'm simply not using them, and am loving the 5-string lifestyle. But no reason to be doctrinaire here - let a thousand flowers bloom...it's all good!

I play both 4 and 5 strings equally well (at least for me).
I "prefer" to play a 4 and will when I know I can and not have the need for anything that a 5 would provide.

I wont go into what I think the benefits arw of a HipShot D-Tuner. We all know what they do.

I will say though that there are a number of songs that i play currently, not only sound better on a dropped D 4 string, but also "feel" better too.
Now, both are subjective and the songs im talking about I have played on a 5 quite well.

One that immediately comes to mind is Tim McGraw's "Felt Good On My Lips".
Again, I've played it on a 5 with pretty much no issues, but I prefer the feel and sound of that low D ringing over rhe feel and sound of the fretted low D on a B string.
Plus after the first chorus and at the end, I can grab the melody line up top and still have the low D ringing. Something that you cant do on a 5. But those are minor things for the whole of the song and not required, but I like it.

Now, I dont recall offhand but Tim McGraw's bass player may have used a 5 the last time I saw them. And I have played it nicely on a 5, and to be honest, I'll bet no one noticed or cared either way. But I just feel for me on this example, I can get the feel much better on a 4.

The debate will run rampant forever on the number of strings and how to tune them. Bottom line is as long as its working in the context you're using it in, blow that thing up.

All that being said, my 4 string is cooler than your 5.... :hiding: :ninja:
 
I started using a Hopshot about 3 years ago in a cover context. Like some others here, I more or less went directly to a 5 in the late 80's. So, I initially missed the Hipshot. What I have found is exactly what Mike is saying. Which is really cool because now my 4 strings are completely relevant again. No big deal to cover all those Stevie Wonder tunes in Eb on the fly. And definitely some of the drop D stuff just lays right using the Hipshot vs covering them on a 5. I forget the tune but there is a well known Velvet Revolver tune that comes to mind. Yes, you can play it on the 5. But, it is easier and sounds better with the Hipshot.

So, the Hipshot is ESSENTIAL on my RV4. I dig it.
 
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All that being said, my 4 string is cooler than your 5.... :hiding: :ninja:


Geez, getting all doctrinaire here!

How about "my 4 string is as cool as your 5?"

Can't we all just get along?

That said, fair point about an open D, and the hipshot is definitely good for those who want to stick with a 4 but modestly extend their range.

Just don't be playing in D flat, C or B.

Can't we all just get along?
 
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It's all good; really, it's a personal pref thing, for sure.
I got my first 5 string back in the mid 80's. Bass player for a recording project bailed midway thru tracking and I needed to replace what he was doing. I bought a mid-line Ibanez, and worked my way up a quality ladder from there once I had "been absorbed by The Borg."

I still dig the four string though, and just bought another one this week...
 
It's all good; really, it's a personal pref thing, for sure.
I got my first 5 string back in the mid 80's. Bass player for a recording project bailed midway thru tracking and I needed to replace what he was doing. I bought a mid-line Ibanez, and worked my way up a quality ladder from there once I had "been absorbed by The Borg."

I still dig the four string though, and just bought another one this week...
I got an idea... let's talk about Macs vs PCs... ;) :D

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