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Club Sadowsky!!!

To echo @kevk 's new bass post. I would love to share my new personal bass from Germany Customshop as well.
A Will Lee 5 with soapbar at modern position, block inlays and first ever matching Buckeye Burl headstock. Also, side dots LEDs inlay. German team once again nailed what I wanted and outdone themselves.



 
I need some help and or advice - My German Metroline Will Lee 5, what a beautiful bass BUT I can't connect with it....it just does not sound good to my ears, sounds dull, whoomy, boomy, not punchy or growly, more of a round sound. If I engage the mid control it gets even worst (I have had 3 Sadowskys in the last 15 years so I know what they are capable of) Lets not even mention the the highs freq, sounds dull, like when you have really old strings on your bass, a bit too vintage for my taste....
I have played it through different systems (direct on my recording studio, amped with both Aguilar and Ampeg systems and in-ears through a $250k DIGICO console) and it makes no difference, it all sounds the same.....Maybe that is the sound of a Will Lee? or perhaps I need to change the pickups to get the sound I want?
Any Advice, experience with this?

Check the pickup height. I had to fiddle quite a bit with my German Will Lee 5er to get it sounding good. I found the measurements stated in the manual not to be ideal for my bass. I opted for quite a bit less distance between pickups and strings.
And yea, I totally disregard the mid boost. I set it flat so that I do not alter the sound by accidently engaging it.
 
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Mind to take a pic of the pickup wiring? the spot that soldered to the pan pot.
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I need some help and or advice - My German Metroline Will Lee 5, what a beautiful bass BUT I can't connect with it....it just does not sound good to my ears, sounds dull, whoomy, boomy, not punchy or growly, more of a round sound.

I ditto the suggestion to verify it has the single coils installed. They should bite nicely. I have a Will Lee Japan Metro MV4 with SCs and it sounds terrific.
 
I ditto the suggestion to verify it has the single coils installed. They should bite nicely. I have a Will Lee Japan Metro MV4 with SCs and it sounds terrific.

Tritto! I've been unclear as to whether the Wardowsky WL basses have humcancelling or single-coil pickups. I have the SCs on my Japanese WL5, and after many years as a double-soapbar kind of guy, they have been a revelation. Coupled with a Mesa WD800, I'm getting oodles of bite and grind.
 
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My Japanese metroline Will Lee definitely has single coils. So far as the mid boost goes I initially did not use it but now find it invaluable at gigs when I want to switch quickly from a jazz to a pseudo P tone. I tend to use it most when we do a Z Z Top song. I experimented with the settings but in the end have settled on Will's preference. After all, who can argue with the master?
 
I think I can tell the answer, but do you feel the VTC upgrade was worth it? I have a RSD JJ 5-21 and keep flopping back and forth about adding the VTC.

honestly, the bass was unusable without the VTC. I could not get the twang out of it without a tone roll off. The boost only circuit is genius in that, I know of no one that want to reduce the bass frequency output of their bass below flat/passive. ( I’m sure there are some, I’ve just never met em’). BUT….there are lotsa folks that wanna roll off them highs below flat. The preamp WITHOUT the VTC simply doesn’t permit it. Now that I have the VTC installed I get the PERFECT sound from that bass. 75% pan to bridge pickup, bass boost bumped about 20%, treble boost at 0%, VTC at about 50%. Theres my sound for most of the night. I’ll roll in the p bass pup 100% fir certain tunes, but generally I keep it in that initial position ALL NIGHT. And it KILLS. Every Thursday night I attend a jam session that brings in 4 to 6 bass players. These guys have Foderas, Laklands, US Fender US deluxe active P/J’s, there was a guy there with a purple sparkle stingray custom. We all play through the same amp. My Sadowsky is always more pronounced, clearer, and punchier than every other bass. When the other bass players are up, I offer it to them to try, and they’re always blown away. One of them is a woman who commented on how light and easy to play the bass was. It’s to a point now where I hate having to play someone else’s bass at this jam. So I always bring mine.

but the short answer is, put the VTC in. You will be really glad you did. Turns it into an entirely different bass.
 
So, I'll admit to having a bit of a fascination with the new German-made Sadowsky MJ basses when I saw them debut. I've always loved the combo of a MM pickup with a J (Laklands were nice, but didn't dig the 35", also had a killer Roscoe MM/J that the 35" scale and wide nut got it sent off to another owner), and I like the narrower nut option the Sadowsky MJ basses come with, as well as their 18mm string spacing at the bridge. I wasn't - and still am not - a fan of the MM-style "egg" pickguard, but they're growing on me.

With that said, I had decided to patiently wait until some of the special editions of the MJ basses rolled out, but then I came across this transparent black with tort pickguard version and scooped it up to see what these basses were all about.

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Put my choice of strings on it, got it set up pretty close to my liking (still tinkering), then sat down to go through some tunes with it this morning. I have to admit, I hit that first note and my ears were like, "***...no!" That wasn't the sound I had in my head from a MM/J setup, nor was it the sound I had heard in the videos Lars did on YouTube. I put it in passive mode - there we go, that's the ticket. Put it back in active mode - very nasally and middy. I'm thinking there's definitely something wrong with this bass, out of all the Sadowsky basses I've ever had, engaging the preamp has never impacted the tone like this. <head scratch>

I rewatch some of Lars' videos to try and get a handle on which position of the switches is single, parallel, and series (no documentation on it and it's up toward the bridge = parallel, middle = single coil, and down = series if anyone is wondering). Man, listening to those videos the bass sounds full, rich, and what I'd expect an MM/J to sound like.

Pick the bass back up, tinker a bit with varying switch combos, EQ and VTC settings. Nope. This thing sounds killer passive, and just totally honky when the pre is engaged. I'm thinking maybe this one is going to be like a PJ to me, whereas I prefer those, and really anything with a P pickup, passive 99% of the time. Or is the preamp wonky? Dang, I hate to lose the controls of the preamp (though I'm typically not much of a knob turner) - is this a quick tryout and return?

I recalled a thread here on TB, where someone had posted a photo of the circuit from a German-made bass, maybe an MJ, but I don't remember, but it had "Will Lee" printed on the board. Hmmm. Popped the back cover off...yep, it says Will Lee. There's also two trim pots. Hmm x 2.

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After a quick tweak of each, I find that the top one seems to control output and the bottom one is the honk (read: mids) control. Fantastic! Dialed that bottom switch down and there it was - those sweet preamp-engaged tones of an MM/J setup that I was expecting at the first note. Whew, praise baby Jesus that got figured out!

The only other thing I noticed is that while I love the 18mm string spacing and slimmer neck profile, it's considerably more chunky front to back than my current NYC Will Lee 5, and even way more chunk than the NYC UV5 with soaps that I just sold. Not uncomfortable by any means, but definitely noticeable, especially having one to compare it to sitting two feet away.

I typically put basses through a month or so of gigs before making a final decision on their keeper status. This one will get the call tonight and tomorrow, while my NYC Will Lee 5 sits lonely (and cold). I'm excited to see what this MJ 5 can do out there now that I got honk dialed back! :bassist:

And just for S&G's, here's a pic of the MJ and my workhorse NYC WL-5 (wearing some brand spanking new black hardware) hanging out together this mornin'...

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So, I'll admit to having a bit of a fascination with the new German-made Sadowsky MJ basses when I saw them debut. I've always loved the combo of a MM pickup with a J (Laklands were nice, but didn't dig the 35", also had a killer Roscoe MM/J that the 35" scale and wide nut got it sent off to another owner), and I like the narrower nut option the Sadowsky MJ basses come with, as well as their 18mm string spacing at the bridge. I wasn't - and still am not - a fan of the MM-style "egg" pickguard, but they're growing on me.

With that said, I had decided to patiently wait until some of the special editions of the MJ basses rolled out, but then I came across this transparent black with tort pickguard version and scooped it up to see what these basses were all about.

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Put my choice of strings on it, got it set up pretty close to my liking (still tinkering), then sat down to go through some tunes with it this morning. I have to admit, I hit that first note and my ears were like, "***...no!" That wasn't the sound I had in my head from a MM/J setup, nor was it the sound I had heard in the videos Lars did on YouTube. I put it in passive mode - there we go, that's the ticket. Put it back in active mode - very nasally and middy. I'm thinking there's definitely something wrong with this bass, out of all the Sadowsky basses I've ever had, engaging the preamp has never impacted the tone like this. <head scratch>

I rewatch some of Lars' videos to try and get a handle on which position of the switches is single, parallel, and series (no documentation on it and it's up toward the bridge = parallel, middle = single coil, and down = series if anyone is wondering). Man, listening to those videos the bass sounds full, rich, and what I'd expect an MM/J to sound like.

Pick the bass back up, tinker a bit with varying switch combos, EQ and VTC settings. Nope. This thing sounds killer passive, and just totally honky when the pre is engaged. I'm thinking maybe this one is going to be like a PJ to me, whereas I prefer those, and really anything with a P pickup, passive 99% of the time. Or is the preamp wonky? Dang, I hate to lose the controls of the preamp (though I'm typically not much of a knob turner) - is this a quick tryout and return?

I recalled a thread here on TB, where someone had posted a photo of the circuit from a German-made bass, maybe an MJ, but I don't remember, but it had "Will Lee" printed on the board. Hmmm. Popped the back cover off...yep, it says Will Lee. There's also two trim pots. Hmm x 2.

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After a quick tweak of each, I find that the top one seems to control output and the bottom one is the honk (read: mids) control. Fantastic! Dialed that bottom switch down and there it was - those sweet preamp-engaged tones of an MM/J setup that I was expecting at the first note. Whew, praise baby Jesus that got figured out!

The only other thing I noticed is that while I love the 18mm string spacing and slimmer neck profile, it's considerably more chunky front to back than my current NYC Will Lee 5, and even way more chunk than the NYC UV5 with soaps that I just sold. Not uncomfortable by any means, but definitely noticeable, especially having one to compare it to sitting two feet away.

I typically put basses through a month or so of gigs before making a final decision on their keeper status. This one will get the call tonight and tomorrow, while my NYC Will Lee 5 sits lonely (and cold). I'm excited to see what this MJ 5 can do out there now that I got honk dialed back! :bassist:

And just for S&G's, here's a pic of the MJ and my workhorse NYC WL-5 (wearing some brand spanking new black hardware) hanging out together this mornin'...

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It's too bad that Sadowsky doesn't include specs of the circuit in the manual shipped with the MM/J. Not sure why they don't.

That said, do tell us what you think after you get it in a live scenario. You might want back what you are calling "honk". I love my MM/J Sadowsky. It sounds huge and easily punches in the mix. My preferred switch configuration is front pickup in center position and rear pickup switch in the down position. Wonderful huge and punchy finger style.