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- Nov 4, 2003
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- Mar 22, 2004
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Yeah i did that once when i went to a REV P on my 5. Im back to the regular P position...
I was hoping that things may have changed and i would not have to send the guard in.. This bass makes me my money.. engineers love my PJ5.. I mean they LOVE it. and its very broken in at this time..
And then i just realized now. I can leave the PG that i have on it now and just send in the other one i had made for a fitting.. duhhhhh.. silly me.
Thank you Fran for the answer....
I was hoping that things may have changed and i would not have to send the guard in.. This bass makes me my money.. engineers love my PJ5.. I mean they LOVE it. and its very broken in at this time..
And then i just realized now. I can leave the PG that i have on it now and just send in the other one i had made for a fitting.. duhhhhh.. silly me.
Thank you Fran for the answer....
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Roger.. Do you know the Ballpark weight of Wills Bass.. Is it a real light one?
Thanks
Thanks
I must admit that I was surprised to read (2 pages back) that Metro's have Hipshot LICENSED tuners (if I read it correctly) For the price, I would have expected the USA version, as they certainly feel better in my experience. I'm beginning to wonder about the price point of the Metro models, if you get not-the-best tuners, no graphite in the necks, and not much choice to speak of, what are you paying for, when eg a Lakland Skyline (at a much lower price point) has the same tuners,graphite reinforced neck, brass bridge, Plekked frets etc. Are you buying a Squier as opposed to a Fender when you buy a Metro as opposed to a NYC? I'm not trying to insult anyone who has one, or the people who make them, but I was considering one myself, and I'm now wondering if I would maybe be a bit disappointed when for another $1G or so I could have the real deal. The difference in price between the USA Laklands and Skylines is massively more than the Metro's and NYC's - assuming similar quality all round, how come?
(I know I'm going to get flamed for this, but I'm genuinely curious)
(I know I'm going to get flamed for this, but I'm genuinely curious)
- Feb 17, 2003
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Just so you know...
- Lakland Tuners are also Hipshot Licensed on the Skyline models.
- Skyline 4 strings necks are Not graphite reinforced.
- Skylines are now made in Vietnam (or so I've been told), and well I guess need to be plekked.
Metro's are built in Japan, by a small crew that were trained by Roger.
Our Pickups, preamp, bridges are the same used on NYC's as Metro's.
Hope that helps,
Rob
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New (for me) bass day! Thanks Roger and Kevin. You guys were the best as always. If you guys have a chance, come to my show on July 11th @ Sullivan Hall, I will be using this bass and my orange one (my main bass).
Rob L, you were gone when I got to the shop, catch you next time.
Bruno,
Congrats..Sorry I missed you.
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Rob
IME the metros are great basses, but the ones that ive played IMO didnt stand even close to the NYC basses that ive played,the fretwork is impeccable on the nyc basses. but i would say the quality is a little better than skylines, but at another $800 should be
and skylines are made in indonesia
i swore a solemn oath i wouldn't buy another bass for a long time, but then i saw the WL model...
so.. is it real light?
The Will Lee model looks like just a minor tweak on the standard Sadowsky J model to me (I guess it has a slightly narrower spacing at the nut, and the mid boost, and the E string detuner stadard). Quite frankly, I don't see the big deal, but maybe I'm missing something.
Also, I've been relatively unimpressed with the very lightweight ash body Sadowsky J's. I greatly prefer the non-routed, somewhat heavier (but still light in an absolute sense) ash bodies with these particular models. The very lightweight ones sound a bit thin down low, and to my ear, in general, quite 'clacky and ganky' in the upper mids.
Just another point of view. I never really feel the need for a mid boost with my NYC non-routed ash/maple vintage, especially with the single coil pickup option, and again feel that extra pound or so in the body really makes a noticable difference in feel and tone. If the Will Lee basses are extremely lightweight (which is suggested by the spec), I'm not sure that's a particularly good thing for most. Maybe that is why there is an additional mid boost switch on this model, to provide some additional punch electronically that might be lost due to the physical nature of the instrument.
IMO (and I guess IME from playing a few very lightweight Sadowsky ash/maple J's).
Also, I've been relatively unimpressed with the very lightweight ash body Sadowsky J's. I greatly prefer the non-routed, somewhat heavier (but still light in an absolute sense) ash bodies with these particular models. The very lightweight ones sound a bit thin down low, and to my ear, in general, quite 'clacky and ganky' in the upper mids.
Just another point of view. I never really feel the need for a mid boost with my NYC non-routed ash/maple vintage, especially with the single coil pickup option, and again feel that extra pound or so in the body really makes a noticable difference in feel and tone. If the Will Lee basses are extremely lightweight (which is suggested by the spec), I'm not sure that's a particularly good thing for most. Maybe that is why there is an additional mid boost switch on this model, to provide some additional punch electronically that might be lost due to the physical nature of the instrument.
IMO (and I guess IME from playing a few very lightweight Sadowsky ash/maple J's).
Nice bass, and I see from the spec it's 8.7 pounds, which is a good weight for those instruments. I thought they were spec'd to be super light, which IMO is not a good thing with the Sadowsky basses to my ear. Cool! Nice looking instrument.
Dragonbass - my point WAS that Skylines use licenced tuners
My DJ5 IS graphite reinforced
Plekked frets are going to be pretty much perfect
Skylines also use the same p/ups etc as the USA models
No-one was attacking you - I was asking for answers, and I don't think you gave me any. As to Vietnamese fretting - why be insulting about it? If it's plekked afterwards, it'll be as good as you can get.(And if you look on Harmony central and BGRA you'll see a couple of reviews where the reviewers express surprise at the quality of the fretwork on the Metro's)
Roger - I changed out the licensed tuners on my DJ5 because they didn't feel as good as the USA ones I have on another bass. They still work ok, but my point was that I would have been surprised to find licenced ones on a high price-point bass if I hadn't known beforehand. If the quality of Metro's is as good as the NYC, why not use licenced tuners on the NYC models? I would feel that I'd bought a cut-down Sad if I'd seen those on there - the USA tuners aren't that much more expensive, and they do feel smoother.
My DJ5 IS graphite reinforced
Plekked frets are going to be pretty much perfect
Skylines also use the same p/ups etc as the USA models
No-one was attacking you - I was asking for answers, and I don't think you gave me any. As to Vietnamese fretting - why be insulting about it? If it's plekked afterwards, it'll be as good as you can get.(And if you look on Harmony central and BGRA you'll see a couple of reviews where the reviewers express surprise at the quality of the fretwork on the Metro's)
Roger - I changed out the licensed tuners on my DJ5 because they didn't feel as good as the USA ones I have on another bass. They still work ok, but my point was that I would have been surprised to find licenced ones on a high price-point bass if I hadn't known beforehand. If the quality of Metro's is as good as the NYC, why not use licenced tuners on the NYC models? I would feel that I'd bought a cut-down Sad if I'd seen those on there - the USA tuners aren't that much more expensive, and they do feel smoother.
Not sure why you are offended, I didn't read it that way. I think Roger put it well, the Metro's speak for themselves.
Which means pick up each and play them and decide for yourself. The quality of a bass isn't defined by the tuners and if there is graphite bars in the neck.
I'd like to add you may wish to do a little more research on this small shop that Sadowsky has building these basses vs. the production line the Skylines come off of.
I think both are nice basses and provide quality at their pricepoint.
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It's the classic "Metro vs. Skyline" debate.
It's like saying a Pontiac G6 (maybe a G8) and my SAAB 93 Aero are the pretty much the same car.
Both nice as hell, but there are differences.
Skylines, IMO, are great basses for a mass produced production line bass.
Great for the money with out a question.
Awesome at times.
Metros are, IMO great basses for HAND MADE basses.
I've played a bunch of Skyline basses. KJung had a stinkin' GREAT DJ4.
Some were IMO, were bad (not a lot, but a few), most were OK, a few great. The consistency wasn't there from bass to bass.
There is a guy in town, Bob DeGeorge, has flat out the best Skyline I ever played. But his is also one of the very first that they ever made. The Lakland boys went nuts to make sure the first ones to hit were great.
I've owned and played a lot of Metros.
I'm yet to play one that wasn't damn near as nice as the last one or the next.
KJung and I say this often, as I'm in a position where I have to sell my current Sadowsky, the nice thing about Sadowsky, is they are all great. You really don't have to wonder if the bass you're buying site unseen is going to be a good one.
You CAN pretty much 100% just trust what it says on the headstock.
That being said, I still love the DJ4. Awesome bass.
