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Club Sadowsky!!!

As an aside: Reading the posts where you guys list your numerous Sadowskys is really something--this MV4 is only the fourth bass I've owned in my life, and I began playing bass in the spring of 1974!
I hate you for being smarter (and probably more talented) than I. ;) :D
 
Bartman, is that a NYC? Seems the only 4-string PJ metro is the hybrid (with the P-pickguard). I am now a full believer in the PJ and with some recent tunes I've been wondering if I can swap back and forth between 5 and 4. I don't have trouble picking up my guitar, but whenever I pick up a 4 string bass I get lost. Maybe I just need a baritone to further muddy the waters...

It's an NYC, and possibly the best all-around four-string I've ever laid hands on. Brazilian Rosewood board, and it converts to a RV4! (dual rout, and has an extra PG and extra J neck pickup with a quick connect).

I love the PJ. Nice thick P tone for some songs, but generally I run them both and vary my right hand position.
 
Roger recently posted regarding his supply of Brazilian rosewood. $500 for standard and $1000 for the higher grade stuff, if I'm not mistaken. I wonder if he would allow you to purchase the fingerboard wood now as part of an advance payment (it sounded as if he might not get any more in after his current stock runs out)?

Not quite. Here's the post from Roger the other day:

I am now charging $300 for "standard" grade and $600 for "master grade". My two suppliers over the years are pretty much exhausted, so I do not expect to be able to get any more than my current stash.

Roger

I'm not sure if my board is "master grade" (don't think so), but it sure is pretty. Morado should be harder, roadkill2309, but there is a slight tone difference. The consensus seems to be that brazilian rosewood is more fat and warm, while morado is more snappy and bright. I had a UV70 with a morado board that sounded almost more like maple than rosewood.
 
I've been playing a 4 exclusively for a while so when I got the MV5 the other day it feels strange. Not sure if I like it or not. I know I'd get used to it, but we'll see. I have to decide if I really USE the B string or not to justify the wider neck.

When I first switched to 5, it was odd but I loved the bass so much I didn't care. At that point (10 years ago) I'd been playing guitar for 30 years so I was *very* used to my fattest string being an E. At first I mostly used the B string as a thumb rest, and then slowly added it in. These days I use it a fair amount, especially up the neck when I'm reading. Having a few extra notes available without moving my hand can be useful.

+3 on the DB technique with the left hand. I do that all over the neck, but especially near the nut.
 
Another option for small hands or health issues is to adopt the double bass fingering on the first positions; instead of one finger per fret, we use the 1st and 2nd fingers for the relative frets and the fourth finger (with the 3rd finger always working with it) for the 3rd fret. You might need to change positions more often, but your hand will be more relaxed.

Hi, Fran, and thanks for the idea. I've been using that technique for about ten years, thankfully. I'm also teaching it to my 13 year old bass student to try and save him from future hand issues.
 
I play this way as well. I think more people should - no matter what size their hands are. I think it just promotes better hand health down the road.

Played the MV5 a lot this morning. Put on my usual strings (DR Hi Beams) and that helped a lot. I think "my sound" is as much those Hi Beams as it is any bass or amp I use.

I'm driving myself crazy going back and forth between the MV5 and the RV4. They sound similar, but a little different. Hard to describe. The RV4 is a little more full maybe. The MV5 is much tighter, more focused, what some might call sterile I suppose. Either one works.

Surprisingly, the 5 actually feels as or more comfotable on my hands and it seems to sit differently when I play making it easier to play up the neck - say at the 12th fret. It's also noticeably lighter than the RV4. That was the same with my Yamaha 5 string as well - very light and comfortable.

I'm taking both to church today for Christmas Eve rehearsal. We'll see what happens in a group and through a good PA.

Well I hope you'll be as pleased with how it sounds in a group as I was. The solo sound was sort of meh, but it just sat in the mix so nicely for me - (and the recordings I sent you were definitely not the best examples)
 
I don't know about that. I've sure had a lot of "lust in my heart" (something like that--an old Jimmy Carter line for you kids) for many, many basses--even with my MV4 that I love! :hiding:
Yeah, but, while the variety is really nice, I'll be the first to admit jumping around from bass to bass is a hindrance to being a better player just by upsetting the consistency thing. There's a lot to be said for muscle memory and familiarity... from both a tone as well as playability perspective.

In the grand scheme of things, if the focus is the music, as I'll be the first to admit it should be, you're in a better situation than I. Someday I'll "grow up", sell a bunch of stuff off, and become a much better musician as a result. Right now, I'm just enjoying a bit of senseless indulgence. :)
 
Well I hope you'll be as pleased with how it sounds in a group as I was. The solo sound was sort of meh, but it just sat in the mix so nicely for me - (and the recordings I sent you were definitely not the best examples)

Getting my usual strings on (DR Hi Beams) helped a lot. As I said before, I think those stings are as big a part of "my sound" as my bass and amp.I lowered the action just a touch and that helped, too. Feels more like what I'm used to. Didn't need to touch the intonation though, which is odd as I changed to a lighter B string (125) and lowered the action.

Got a new ProTec Contego case from my mother-in-law for Christms so the new bass and case will be heading to church this week.
 
There's a lot to be said for muscle memory and familiarity... from both a tone as well as playability perspective.

Someday I'll "grow up", sell a bunch of stuff off, and become a much better musician as a result. Right now, I'm just enjoying a bit of senseless indulgence. :)

Nothing wrong with senseless indulgence. I've done it. Some would say I still am.

I am, however, trying to find a nice "compromise" bass that I can feel comfortable with at all my gigs. Hopefully the new MV5 will do the trick. I have a Shuttle Max 12 and Shuttle 112 cab that work very nicely on the amp end, so hopefully I can get to being a solid player on the gear I have.
 
HI

Years ago when I started gigging full time, I had a mixture of stuff. A couple Sadowsky's, a Fodera 4, a Pensa, etc. I found as I switched from bass to bass at gigs, there was too much tweaking to get my sound uniform from bass to bass. Not to mention, the Sadowsky's sounded the best on stage and out front. I eventually sold everything else and now have my Will Lee, PJ, and NYC 5. They all have a similar output, tone, and feel. Much easier this way and it lets me concentrate on my playing and not my amp and compressor

Rob
 
Regarding "growing up", I often play this (admittedly somewhat painful) game with myself, which is, what if I could only have 2 or 3?

I have to admit, I don't always come up with an answer, and what I do come up with still varies from month to month, and at times might even shock a few peeps, but, I will say this... a Sadowsky is always there. :)
 
... a Sadowsky is always there. :)

Echo. :D I used to refer to my Sadowsky as my "desert island" bass...if I could only have one, which would it be? Now, especially with the VTC in place, my M5-24 is my Swiss Army knife. I can't always say that it'd be my only bass, but like Vic says...it's always there on the short list.

FYI/FWIW...on the Jazz bass front, for quite a while now I've been jonesing for an ash/maple combo....sort of a Marcus-Will-Tal kinda' sound. My local store is getting one in this week - UV70 fiver, natural w/ white blocks & binding (and an extra-ordered white pickguard to match). Could be a nice Christmas bonus, even though I'll likely have to cough up an MTD to fund it.
 
I'm on the opposite end of the spectrum. I have never owned a bunch of different instruments, at least ones that were somewhat "duplicates." Throughout my years gigging on and off on guitar, I generally had one Strat and one Martin. When I moved to bass about 20 years ago, I had either one or two basses, generally a fretted and fretless. I hate to have stuff sitting around and not getting used, and would never take more than 2 basses to a gig.

That said, I can see probably going to 4 in the near future. I think the Sadowsky PJ5 is my "swiss army" for fretted, but the Zon lightwave fretless 5 can't be replaced and still is probably my favorite to play. I wouldn't mind adding a PJ4 just because and a Rob Allen 5 just because. I just am not a JJ kinda guy...
 
FYI/FWIW...on the Jazz bass front, for quite a while now I've been jonesing for an ash/maple combo....sort of a Marcus-Will-Tal kinda' sound. My local store is getting one in this week - UV70 fiver, natural w/ white blocks & binding (and an extra-ordered white pickguard to match). Could be a nice Christmas bonus, even though I'll likely have to cough up an MTD to fund it.

You might want to want to consider perloid - I think it goes rather well:

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The solo sound was sort of meh, but it just sat in the mix so nicely for me

I've had a different experience with my RS4... I'm finding that it cuts through the mix cleanly through the entire register/range of the neck.

Maybe it's my setup, but this instrument is as close to a perfect one-and-only bass as any others I've played.

AND... Roger's customer service is so outstanding (I now have personal experience with this) that it's no mystery why Sadowsky users, myself included, are so loyal: high quality instruments and across the board supreme customer service to amateurs and superstars alike.
 
AND... Roger's customer service is so outstanding (I now have personal experience with this) that it's no mystery why Sadowsky users, myself included, are so loyal: high quality instruments and across the board supreme customer service to amateurs and superstars alike.
Another HUGE +1.

Roger definitely sets the bar at least as high as anybody else in the world... ...in any industry... maybe even higher.