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Club Sadowsky!!!

#18,481
Chef said:
worst case:
you love the bass, but suck at fretless, and send it back to the shop to have frets added.

fretless is not all that hard.
go for it.
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To add to what Alan says here, I own several fretless basses and have never really intended to play them in front of anybody. I have them for my own personal enjoyment. Kinda like when someone has a grand piano in their living room. I personally (and IMHO) do recommend a lined fretless but once you start improving your intonation it may not be an issue.
 
#18,482
KJung said:
Getting a bit OT here, but yes, that is the Ultimate we have discussed above. Nice stand, but some issues... lots of plastic, and a plastic 'clamp' that fixes the height that has actually failed on me. The advantages to this stand is that it is quite small, very light, and the simple 'universal yoke' works very well. The Hercules is much sturdier, and the extra size is a small price to pay, given that, for the Sadowsky guys, it is holding a $3,000 to $4,500 investment.
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Ken, not exactly the same. This is the GS-100 and I was talking about the GS-1000:
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What I really like about it is that it can be packed to:
•Folded Length: 3.5" x 21" (89 mm x 533 mm)
while the hercules (great stand, I already own two):
Folded size: 732x115mm (28.8x4.5 ")

That's 8 inches more.
Anyway, I have already ordered the Ultimate and I'll post back with my thoughts...and to be back on topic, I want the best for my Sadowskys :cool:
 
#18,483
Fran Diaz said:
Ken, not exactly the same. This is the GS-100 and I was talking about the GS-1000:
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What I really like about it is that it can be packed to:
•Folded Length: 3.5" x 21" (89 mm x 533 mm)
while the hercules (great stand, I already own two):
Folded size: 732x115mm (28.8x4.5 ")

That's 8 inches more.
Anyway, I have already ordered the Ultimate and I'll post back with my thoughts...and to be back on topic, I want the best for my Sadowskys :cool:
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It seems the 100 and 1000 have the identical 'lower parts' where I and others have had a bit of problems (those plastic locking parts). However, again, all you need to do is keep any eye on them over time to make sure the locking is still tight and firm. Nice, small, lightweight hanging stands, if a bit on the 'less beefy' side.
 
#18,484
KJung said:
It seems the 100 and 1000 have the identical 'lower parts' where I and others have had a bit of problems (those plastic locking parts). However, again, all you need to do is keep any eye on them over time to make sure the locking is still tight and firm. Nice, small, lightweight hanging stands, if a bit on the 'less beefy' side.
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Ok, I'll check it out and if I don't find it to be roadworthy enough for my needs I'll return it. Most of my gigs are safe enough though; no heavy traffic on stage.
 
#18,485
P. Bass said:
Another Ricky Minor alert.
Just watched Ricky & the band backing "Jewel" on Leno. He was playing that Vintiquity P-Bass thru an Aguilar 750 (I think). Hopefully Rob can come up w/ another link for us.:hyper:
B.
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You mean this? Jewel starts at 38 mins.

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Robert
 
#18,486
Jerry J said:
To add to what Alan says here, I own several fretless basses and have never really intended to play them in front of anybody. I have them for my own personal enjoyment. Kinda like when someone has a grand piano in their living room. I personally (and IMHO) do recommend a lined fretless but once you start improving your intonation it may not be an issue.
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This is why i like this site and especially the SADOWSKY group, they are true to the end. This is my idea exactly, i don't plan on playing in front of anyone, i just love the sound and really want to mess with it at home you know learn with it and just see how good i can get with it, i have always liked a challenge and i feel this FRETLESS stuff is a challenge, not that a fretted is not a challenge, but you get the idea, ok so i will wait a week, if by next Monday i still want it and its available i will go with that, if not i will be looking for a fretted NYC 4 String Sadowsky, thanks everyone in the great SADOWSKY club.:bassist:
 
#18,487
Respectfully disagree;)
All those lines are "too much to look at," IMO, and don't allow you a quick reference at a glance.
I much prefer G&L's "dots on the side of the neck where the frets would be.''
Much easier to get a quick reference with, for me anyway.

Also, you shouldn't be staring at the neck all the time anyway, frets or not...

ymmv, etc.


Jerry J said:
To add to what Alan says here, I own several fretless basses and have never really intended to play them in front of anybody. I have them for my own personal enjoyment. Kinda like when someone has a grand piano in their living room. I personally (and IMHO) do recommend a lined fretless but once you start improving your intonation it may not be an issue.
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#18,488
Chef said:
Respectfully disagree;)
All those lines are "too much to look at," IMO, and don't allow you a quick reference at a glance.
I much prefer G&L's "dots on the side of the neck where the frets would be.''
Much easier to get a quick reference with, for me anyway.

Also, you shouldn't be staring at the neck all the time anyway, frets or not...

ymmv, etc.
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I have to agree with Chefster's disagreement.

I don't have any opposition to lines. But, it has been my experience that they offer very little in practical assistance in playing the instrument. There are so many variables that are going on when you stop a note on a fretless fingerboard that the idea that a visual marker is going to help a great deal isn't realistic.

I suppose that the lines might help you at first when playing fairly simply at slow to modest tempos, but if you are really into fretless, you'll be past that before you know it.

Further, while you say that you only want to play quietly at home (when no one else is listening) :), things change. If you develop any proficiency at all on fretless, someone, sometime will want you to drag it out. If you are visually glued to your fb, it makes for a whole bunch of issues.

Again, I'm not knocking a lined fingerboard. I've owned and enjoyed both. I'm just saying that you have an equal opportunity to suck or sound good on either. If I was shopping for a fretless, lines are a non-issue. Although, I do think a no-line, clean look is very cool. And, if I am playing fretless, I want it to be obvious! :hiding:


Charles
 
#18,490
I agree about the lines thing, I would rather start without them, since I have never owned a fretless I will not miss what I never had, and I feel if you start lined and then go lineless it makes it like starting over again, just my honest opinion. So if I take the leap it will be lineless but with the dot markers as a small guide. The reason why I like the one on the website is that the markers are actually where the frets would be, so in that sense it's a little more security towards learning it.
 
#18,491
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#18,492
Chasarms said:
I have to agree with Chefster's disagreement.

I don't have any opposition to lines. But, it has been my experience that they offer very little in practical assistance in playing the instrument. There are so many variables that are going on when you stop a note on a fretless fingerboard that the idea that a visual marker is going to help a great deal isn't realistic.

I suppose that the lines might help you at first when playing fairly simply at slow to modest tempos, but if you are really into fretless, you'll be past that before you know it.

Further, while you say that you only want to play quietly at home (when no one else is listening) :), things change. If you develop any proficiency at all on fretless, someone, sometime will want you to drag it out. If you are visually glued to your fb, it makes for a whole bunch of issues.

Again, I'm not knocking a lined fingerboard. I've owned and enjoyed both. I'm just saying that you have an equal opportunity to suck or sound good on either. If I was shopping for a fretless, lines are a non-issue. Although, I do think a no-line, clean look is very cool. And, if I am playing fretless, I want it to be obvious! :hiding:


Charles
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I would agree here..I've owned and played both. The couple of unlined fretless basses I have owned were not that hard to adjust to. One was even a longer scale length...That one did not have dots on the side but I did put them on. That was a tremendous help. The other, was 34" scale but had dots from the builder. So, it was really pretty easy and it does look MUCH cleaner

And, as Charles said...I like my fretless intonation to be obvious...and it is! :)
 
#18,494
Chef said:
Respectfully disagree;)
All those lines are "too much to look at," IMO, and don't allow you a quick reference at a glance.
I much prefer G&L's "dots on the side of the neck where the frets would be.''
Much easier to get a quick reference with, for me anyway.

Also, you shouldn't be staring at the neck all the time anyway, frets or not...

ymmv, etc.
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+1 Having played double bass since 4th grade, I am a fan of no lines, for sure. That being said, my one exception to that is my Rob Allen Mouse 30. That short scale had me a bit intimidated, so I had Rob add the lines. Now that I've had it a bit, part of me would like to 'erase' the lines, but they are pretty subtle.

And while I do have one fretless (my Skjold) with the dots for every fret (and bigger dots for the position markers), I think I prefer dots only at the position markers. Like you said, you shouldn't be looking at the neck much, anyway, but if you do, it's easier to make a quick check if you only have a limited number of dots.

IME/IMHO of course, and YMMV.

Tom.
 
#18,496
So, I have a question. I may sell some other stuff and see if I can pickup either a used RV5 or PJ5. I have the UV70 and I absolutely love love love the j-bass thing, but the 60's j-bass sound is very appealing to me as well. Is the P pup in the PJ5 in the same place as a regular Pbass? That may really sway my decision.
 
#18,497
absolutely concur

tombowlus said:
And while I do have one fretless (my Skjold) with the dots for every fret (and bigger dots for the position markers), I think I prefer dots only at the position markers. Like you said, you shouldn't be looking at the neck much, anyway, but if you do, it's easier to make a quick check if you only have a limited number of dots.

IME/IMHO of course, and YMMV.

Tom.
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