Yes. Because they like MUSIC. Not the CRAP that I hear on American rock radio stations repeated by every boring bar band in the country.
BEER !! HILLBILLY ROCK !! DRUNKS !! sounds fantastic.
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CRAZY perspective I got from a long-time DJ last night
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BEER !! HILLBILLY ROCK !! DRUNKS !! sounds fantastic.
Not sure man... Literally 90% of the music I hear everywhere (radio, TV, web etc.) is of US origin. I am certainly not against it, but it kind of goes to show that while the competition in US is certainly rough, at least there is a chance. That little chance.
In my area it literally feels like I am playing to myself.
Most of those are just sarcastic choices of words. You need to relax. You're gonna have a heart attack.
Excuse me if I give voice to what many are thinking.
Opinions are literally judgments - and what's that old saying, they're like ex's, everyone's got at least one. It'd be cool if your opinion was substantiated by your experience, but you're surrounded by people with more or less equal experience and capabilities, and in some cases, people with a lot more. And some of those people are literally the people you're throwing shade at. Thus the pushback you're experiencing.
Being able to admit you're wrong or said something dumbass doesn't make you a dumbass, it makes you a mature adult. Insisting that a dumbass opinion matters is the opposite of that.
I saw Hootie and the Blowfish, Dave Matthew's, Black Crows and many others before they hit it big..... in a bar.
This is how your post reads to me.
"Me me I. I I me me me me. More me. Screw you."
With all due respect, Two Fingers, your original post could be construed in the exact same way by others.
You admonish other bands for accepting less money than you would.
Then you go on to tell them that, because they don't measure up to your compensation standards, they should stay in the garage because you deserve their money.
But if you break your leg, do you have healthcare? In the US, musicians tend to not have healthcare because it’s so expensive. Unless you marry someone with good benefits.
We all know the bands you’re talking about. The problem is that EVERYBODY is sure it’s “the other guy’s band”!Come on, now. You may think I'm (shall we say) "unkind" due to my choice of verbiage. But don't be intellectually dishonest and try to argue that you have NO IDEA what kinds of bands I'm talking about. Puhleeeeeeez....
I am totally relaxed. I just thought it was kind of funny to point out how judgemental you really are.Most of those are just sarcastic choices of words. You need to relax. You're gonna have a heart attack.
Excuse me if I give voice to what many are thinking.
I see the same things in all walks of life.
People judging others and seemingly not being able to see themselves in a "True Light".
People think I have it so easy and that they have it so hard. It just ain't so.
If it was easy, everyone would be doing it. At some point you really have to look at yourself and see that your success is 99% due to YOU.
How many of those bands were playing the "four chord version of Brown Eyed Girl" and got signed because of it?
Some good quotes from this thread...
Shocking that everyone wants to blame someone else for their problems.
Sometimes musician egos are the WORST.
People judging others and seemingly not being able to see themselves in a
"True Light".
Shocking that everyone wants to blame someone else for their problems.
Sometimes musician egos are the WORST.
People judging others and seemingly not being able to see themselves in a
"True Light".
Except that many went to the US to get into the business. It's just not the same. And yes, we do not have much culture to speak of here, either. ;-)
This issue will continue for as long as people try to make a living (or at least a "respectable" amount of money) through doing something that a large number of people find enjoyable... The vast majority of people in the world make whatever money they make specifically by doing something that most people don't want to do (and it's especially effective if it's something of an obvious need)
I have beem playing for money in bars since 1987. I was a teenager then playing in a band made up of thirty-somethings. Shortly after that I moved from home to hear where I live now. At that time I made a living by playing in five different bands. They literally had to check my schedule before they could book a show. (Bass players were rare.) Then, after that I made a living in a band that was 70% private/corporate and 25% bars with a few festivals annually throughout the Mid-Atlantic region. After that I went into fill-in gigs. I have filled in with just over 60 acts in virtually every genre. I have done pitt orchestra and church. I have taught bass lessons to as many as 32 students at once. I have worked in two music stores totaling ten years. And I briefly booked two clubs (how annoying)...... all in this area.
I would simply say that you would be hard pressed to find a dozen people within 50 miles of me who are more equipped to discuss the history, changes, and current state of the music scene in my area (since the mid 80s) than I am. A couple of recently-retired club owners, two guitar players, one drummer and a singer (off the top of my head... there are likely a few more) have been more involved in the scene for longer than I have in the area.
Does that make me amazing? Of course not. There are plenty of musicians here with many more accomplishments than that.
Does that mean I am qualified to discuss virtually every aspect of my music scene, including what is tearing it down? It sure does.
I am not wrong about my music scene.ISo there's no need to admit I'm wrong. I am simply blunt, honest, and realistic about it.
Supply.
Demand.
Some people charge more, some charge less.
Some people pay more, some pay less.
335 occasionally-vitriolic posts won't change any of that. And whining about any of it seems counterproductive to me.
Demand.
Some people charge more, some charge less.
Some people pay more, some pay less.
335 occasionally-vitriolic posts won't change any of that. And whining about any of it seems counterproductive to me.
Bar gigs never made anybody a lot of money. They are at best a gateway for serious musicians. That said, a crappy bar that hosts bad bands for free or cheap, will suffer the results of running off customers. A decent bar will pay a competitive rate for the best bands in the area, because the owner knows the band will pay for itself several times over in folks staying, and buying. This stuff really isn't that hard...
I have beem playing for money in bars since 1987. I was a teenager then playing in a band made up of thirty-somethings. Shortly after that I moved from home to hear where I live now. At that time I made a living by playing in five different bands. They literally had to check my schedule before they could book a show. (Bass players were rare.) Then, after that I made a living in a band that was 70% private/corporate and 25% bars with a few festivals annually throughout the Mid-Atlantic region. After that I went into fill-in gigs. I have filled in with just over 60 acts in virtually every genre. I have done pitt orchestra and church. I have taught bass lessons to as many as 32 students at once. I have worked in two music stores totaling ten years. And I briefly booked two clubs (how annoying)...... all in this area.
I would simply say that you would be hard pressed to find a dozen people within 50 miles of me who are more equipped to discuss the history, changes, and current state of the music scene in my area (since the mid 80s) than I am. A couple of recently-retired club owners, two guitar players, one drummer and a singer (off the top of my head... there are likely a few more) have been more involved in the scene for longer than I have in the area.
Does that make me amazing? Of course not. There are plenty of musicians here with many more accomplishments than that.
Does that mean I am qualified to discuss virtually every aspect of my music scene, including what is tearing it down? It sure does.
I am not wrong about my music scene.ISo there's no need to admit I'm wrong. I am simply blunt, honest, and realistic about it.
Interesting tactic - reduce the broad argument that you were initially pushing, down to something that no one else can dispute: your specific situation. So, why would you feel the need to engage the rest of TB in a discussion so specific, that you are the only one qualified to speak about?
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You mean the same 50 miles where it's legal to have a Junk yard in your front yard. I'm not judging,just stating a fact.I have beem playing for money in bars since 1987. I was a teenager then playing in a band made up of thirty-somethings. Shortly after that I moved from home to hear where I live now. At that time I made a living by playing in five different bands. They literally had to check my schedule before they could book a show. (Bass players were rare.) Then, after that I made a living in a band that was 70% private/corporate and 25% bars with a few festivals annually throughout the Mid-Atlantic region. After that I went into fill-in gigs. I have filled in with just over 60 acts in virtually every genre. I have done pitt orchestra and church. I have taught bass lessons to as many as 32 students at once. I have worked in two music stores totaling ten years. And I briefly booked two clubs (how annoying)...... all in this area.
I would simply say that you would be hard pressed to find a dozen people within 50 miles of me who are more equipped to discuss the history, changes, and current state of the music scene in my area (since the mid 80s) than I am. A couple of recently-retired club owners, two guitar players, one drummer and a singer (off the top of my head... there are likely a few more) have been more involved in the scene for longer than I have in the area.
Does that make me amazing? Of course not. There are plenty of musicians here with many more accomplishments than that.
Does that mean I am qualified to discuss virtually every aspect of my music scene, including what is tearing it down? It sure does.
I am not wrong about my music scene.ISo there's no need to admit I'm wrong. I am simply blunt, honest, and realistic about it.
