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Darkglass Anagram Multi FX Announced

I just tested with my Ric and you can use Rick-O-Sound! I did neck pup into the main input and bridge into the return. I split the signal and had an Ampeg amp and cab for the neck, and used the return block to bring the bridge pickup into a drive and guitar cab. Sounded pretty good. I can test further later.
I'm trying to use the stereo cable out of the rick, into the Anagram Return.
Does anyone how to proper merge 2 rows/channels into a mono channel?

Anagram does receive both channels (the Output meter kicks for both Bass and Treble), but I could not yet find a way to merge them to the same output: it sends Bass to Output 4/R and Treble to Output 3/L.

My Anagram chain: rick try out/anagram return (trs in)/return/split, split Row 1/merge, split Row2/Merge
I have tried multiple combinations of Return and Merge Blend, thought I had it working at some point, but not really...

Will keep trying...

Tks
 
It would truly be a shame if a company as highly regarded as Darkglass introduced a product that allows a maximum of X but if you do a maximum of X its unplayable and detrimental to the experience, therefore, the "true maximum" is X-1.

I would hope that would be tested before release.

If only there were people here that could test this scenario now for us.... ;)
 
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I'm trying to use the stereo cable out of the rick, into the Anagram Return.
Does anyone how to proper merge 2 rows/channels into a mono channel?

Anagram does receive both channels (the Output meter kicks for both Bass and Treble), but I could not yet find a way to merge them to the same output: it sends Bass to Output 4/R and Treble to Output 3/L.

My Anagram chain: rick try out/anagram return (trs in)/return/split, split Row 1/merge, split Row2/Merge
I have tried multiple combinations of Return and Merge Blend, thought I had it working at some point, but not really...

Will keep trying...

Tks
I don't have any insight here, but I was just looking at my unit and I think I realized something. I had been operating under the assumption (foolishly, I now realize) that the effects loop worked the same as the HX Stomp. Meaning, 1 stereo loop or 2 mono loops. That's not the case!

You can either do 1 mono effects loop using only 1 jack via the TRS send jack (also labeled INSERT, in this case)
OR
1 stereo loop using 2 jacks, the TRS send and TRS return.

That's an interesting wrinkle. In my mind, you lose 1 mono effects loop but you gain the stereo return to use with a wired Aux input or an expression pedal. Depending on your perspective (and comparing this unit to the HX Stomp/XL) that's either good or bad. Being a stomp user, I've always used 1 mono effects loop, so no loss for me.

Currently the Return block doesn't give you an option to "pan" to one side or the other, so I don't think you can hack your way to 2 mono effects loops. Seems like that'd be a relatively easy software update to create the option though.
 
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Read the whole 45 pages of this thread and I'm sold. Ordered one 10 pages ago. Sure hope they keep thier word on the support going forward.
I did. Seemed like a solid unit many pages ago. The nice clean vintage tones put it over the top. If my last band had not broke up I would probably get one now. Work got me slammed until Nov so no need to rush today.
 
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Did the digital Kaamos sound as good as the analog Kaamos (I assume the pedal was an analog device?).
Kaamos is digital as well (at least the octaver part, and presumably also the drive), so should be identical in theory
How is NAM inherently better or higher resolution or whatever than say the Line 6 HX models? Educate me.
I don't care for any of the Line 6 HX drives. Are the Anagram drives nearly identical to their analog counterparts?
AFAIK, the effects/amps/etc in the Anagram aren't NAM-based models, and could well have been created using similar component-based modeling to Line 6. Feedback on the digital versions of all the Darkglass stuff that has been released the last few years are generally pretty good, so seemingly they're doing a good job at whatever digital modeling they are utilizing to create their algorithms. Line 6 uses component-based modeling for most of their effects and amps- meaning they recreate the sounds of devices from the ground up using models of what each component (every resistor, capacitor, transistor, tube) of a known signal path should do to a signal- when it comes to trying to model what a tube or analog transistor does to the signal there are bound to be compromises and those stack up. NAM models are created instead by comparing the difference between a recording of a clean DI and a recording of the effected sound from some device/process and trying to build an algorithm to recreate that difference (so rather than ground-up modeling of a signal path like a Helix, it is more like a "top down" approach that is unconcerned with any of the details of the actual signal path).

The Anagram has provided effects/amp models as well as the ability to run NAM and AIDA-X capture models. NAM/AIDA-X models represent a single sound state that was captured (say "Rat pedal with Distortion on 10, Volume on 5 and Filter on 5"), and so you don't get all the tweakable controls of the original amp/pedal/etc that component-based models like the Helix (or other Anagram effects/amps) allow. The Anagram is capable of running NAM models, so you can download single states of different drive pedals and amps that others have captured (or capture your own devices) and try to tweak them using external EQs before or after the NAM profile which will probably not work the same as tweaking the actual controls on that amp/pedal.
 
Kaamos is digital as well (at least the octaver part, and presumably also the drive), so should be identical in theory

AFAIK, the effects/amps/etc in the Anagram aren't NAM-based models, and could well have been created using similar component-based modeling to Line 6. Feedback on the digital versions of all the Darkglass stuff that has been released the last few years are generally pretty good, so seemingly they're doing a good job at whatever digital modeling they are utilizing to create their algorithms. Line 6 uses component-based modeling for most of their effects and amps- meaning they recreate the sounds of devices from the ground up using models of what each component (every resistor, capacitor, transistor, tube) of a known signal path should do to a signal- when it comes to trying to model what a tube or analog transistor does to the signal there are bound to be compromises and those stack up. NAM models are created instead by comparing the difference between a recording of a clean DI and a recording of the effected sound from some device/process and trying to build an algorithm to recreate that difference (so rather than ground-up modeling of a signal path like a Helix, it is more like a "top down" approach that is unconcerned with any of the details of the actual signal path).

The Anagram has provided effects/amp models as well as the ability to run NAM and AIDA-X capture models. NAM/AIDA-X models represent a single sound state that was captured (say "Rat pedal with Distortion on 10, Volume on 5 and Filter on 5"), and so you don't get all the tweakable controls of the original amp/pedal/etc that component-based models like the Helix (or other Anagram effects/amps) allow. The Anagram is capable of running NAM models, so you can download single states of different drive pedals and amps that others have captured (or capture your own devices) and try to tweak them using external EQs before or after the NAM profile which will probably not work the same as tweaking the actual controls on that amp/pedal.
Very well explained.

There seem to be an option where NAM could go beyond static screenshot, and would be able to re-create all the continuous knobs settings from the original gear.

Rockyy12 speaks about « Dynamic Capturing », and Steve Atkinson (creator of NAM) talks about « Parametric Modeling »

I’m not sure if it’s the same thing?

And I don’t know when will it be really available for the end users?

That is what we call Dynamic Capturing. And we blend them with a mechanism that uses some AI. On top of it, we add some schematic code when needed, especially for the EQ section.
I can see how many NAM models are uploaded with a similar logic...so let us think, cause this is maybe something to address also with Tone3000 and NAM via an API. But, yeah...good suggestion! Thanks


 
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But all of the conversation history is here in this thread. 😳

I don’t understand the value in creating a separate thread, Why not just ask the mods to rename this thread so we don’t lose any of this history??
I’m with you, exactly my thoughts when dude created new thread. It will only fragment the discussion unless one of the threads is locked.
 
But all of the conversation history is here in this thread. 😳

I don’t understand the value in creating a separate thread, Why not just ask the mods to rename this thread so we don’t lose any of this history??
I’m with you, exactly my thoughts when dude created new thread. It will only fragment the discussion unless one of the threads is locked.

Sheesh folks...

If someone else wants to step up and talk to the mods about renaming this thread, getting either OP or themselves in a position to maintain the top post, hand out numbers or do any other things... absolutely, please... yes! Just ping me when you're done and I'll hand over whatever I've done for numbering, close/delete the other thread, and let you run with it. Party on and no hard feelings!

Also, I don't know that things will be that dire - there are plenty of redundant threads on this and other forums that seem to have not ruined civil internet discourse without the use of ban hammers and thread locking. This thread is immensely useful (I've participated it quite a bit and read it avidly), will continue to be so and host more great discussion, is mentioned up front and center in the other thread which can hopefully centralize other useful threads that pop up along the way.


This is *THE* thread to me. I'll be using this one.
I'll be using this one too. :)
 
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Very well explained.

There seem to be an option where NAM could go beyond static screenshot, and would be able to re-create all the continuous knobs settings from the original gear.

Rockyy12 speaks about « Dynamic Capturing », and Steve Atkinson (creator of NAM) talks about « Parametric Modeling »

I’m not sure if it’s the same thing?

And I don’t know when will it be really available for the end users?




Yeah it seems like @Rockyy12 is describing a similar process as your other link, but with the addition of some “component-based” modeling when he mentions schematics to match the EQ section (which would greatly reduce the number of captures needed for the “dynamic model”). It’s cool to hear that this tech is maybe in the pipeline, though I’m curious how much DSP such an app/algorithm might utilize vs the current non-NAM models. Hopefully he’ll correct me if I’m wrong in assuming that none of the included amp/effect models have any NAM-based component!
 
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If you're looking for a hint as to why, signal chain is left to right and he runs it right to left throughout.






Or I’m wrong 🤷‍♂️







But i think I’m right 😇


On most, he put them in the right order, he just discussed them in the wrong order right to left. I did see one with cab before amp. I quit watching because that is just a guitarist playing bass. I did not like any of his sounds. If I was Darkglass, vids like this would make me scream at the sky.