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Hey Dingwall fam

I've checked my polarities. It looks like they're all in the same orientation / phase and are producing the same waveform (up then down). I've also triple checked my pickup configuration and they are in fact in Neck Bridge Neck now.

I've also done an acoustic recording. Could someone run their ears over this? I think I am hearing it acoustically, which would eliminate or reduce electronics issues.

Captured with an AT2020 condenser maybe 30cm or so away.


Could it be the nut slots or the bridge?
 

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Hey Dingwall fam

I've checked my polarities. It looks like they're all in the same orientation / phase and are producing the same waveform (up then down). I've also triple checked my pickup configuration and they are in fact in Neck Bridge Neck now.

I've also done an acoustic recording. Could someone run their ears over this? I think I am hearing it acoustically, which would eliminate or reduce electronics issues.

Captured with an AT2020 condenser maybe 30cm or so away.


Could it be the nut slots or the bridge?
This may be a stretch, but you could try something like this: a trick to find the source of vibration on a motor or somesuch was to put the tip of a screwdriver on a part, then rest your ear on the handle, thus transmitting the vibration directly to your ear. Moving the screwdriver tip to various spots to find the loudest point would sometimes identify the offending part.

You would want to use something besides a screwdriver of course, and you'd need a helper to hold the bass and pluck the string. If the fuzzy sound gets real loud when you are on the nut, or bridge, or tuner, or ball end of the string, or I don't know where, maybe this could tell you something about where the problem is.
 
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Update on my NG3 weird A sound.

I've had the wiring/pickups reinstalled. Didn't really help, I don't think.

I've had a setup, several sets of fresh strings, adjusted pickups heights, swapped the bass saddle, little bit of alfoil in the nut slot (basically two 'layers, so pretty thin) done just about everything I can think of short of swapping out electronics, levelling frets, doing the nut, etc.

I can't shake this weird A string sound.

I've attached a range of playing. I'd love if someone else could lend their ear to this and tell me what they think...
I've had a listen and I don't really hear anything that jumps out as odd.

Is it just on the A string? All the way up the fretboard? Swapping between different strings when playing make it difficult to interpret what's going on.

Sounds like you're plucking pretty hard... are you using a pick? If I play super hard I could make any of my basses buzz or have weird noises - since I like low action, I play pretty light usually.

Are the string height measurements with the 1st fret depressed? What's the neck relief like? The measurements indicate medium/high-ish action but the nut can throw off the open string measurement if it's cut too high/low.
 
I've had a listen and I don't really hear anything that jumps out as odd.

Is it just on the A string? All the way up the fretboard? Swapping between different strings when playing make it difficult to interpret what's going on.

Sounds like you're plucking pretty hard... are you using a pick? If I play super hard I could make any of my basses buzz or have weird noises - since I like low action, I play pretty light usually.

Are the string height measurements with the 1st fret depressed? What's the neck relief like? The measurements indicate medium/high-ish action but the nut can throw off the open string measurement if it's cut too high/low.

Primarily just the A, but of D.



Strung heights are measured at the 12th fret with nothing depressed, so the space between the 12th fret and the string.

Sheldon's videos pin this at between medium and medium low.

Definitely playing with a pick (0.6mm dunlop) although it's audible with fingers. Definitely more audible if I play harder.

I THINK it's less audible from like the 10th or 11th fret onwards.

Neck relief is fairly average. The Nut should be the stock dingwall nut untouched since I bought it in 2022 brand new.

If I finger pluck the string over the fretboard it's extremely noticeable. That's obviously not normal playing but yeah.

I THINK it gets reduced if I physically press down firmly on the saddle.
 
I THINK it gets reduced if I physically press down firmly on the saddle.
I didn’t have the time to properly listen to your new audio files yet (so take this with a grain of salt) but the above makes me wonder whether you‘ve tried shimming the neck heel to get more of a break angle / downward pressure onto the bridge saddles. Might be worth a try as it’s pretty low effort, imo.
 
Since you have the Nolly sig, do you play primarily overdriven metal? IMO with pick playing with overdrive, lots of buzz/noise will be covered up in the mix. If you play genres similar to Nolly, it might not be a big deal and you're overthinking it (I do this too sometimes). If you see these vids of Nolly, there's way more buzz on his bass than I would've assumed:




Both these sound like there's more buzz than your bass.

The clip a few pages back sounded like some slight modulation (twisted string maybe) which seems to not be present here.

I would post this over in the Hardware and Setup forum if you haven't, there's a few knowledgable luthiers there.

I would take it to a tech skilled with fret and nut work. Someone who can cut a bone nut from scratch and does refrets often should be a better bet than someone just doing general setup work.

I would not shim the neck. The pics show decent enough break angle on the saddles.
 
Since you have the Nolly sig, do you play primarily overdriven metal? IMO with pick playing with overdrive, lots of buzz/noise will be covered up in the mix. If you play genres similar to Nolly, it might not be a big deal and you're overthinking it (I do this too sometimes). If you see these vids of Nolly, there's way more buzz on his bass than I would've assumed:




Both these sound like there's more buzz than your bass.

The clip a few pages back sounded like some slight modulation (twisted string maybe) which seems to not be present here.

I would post this over in the Hardware and Setup forum if you haven't, there's a few knowledgable luthiers there.

I would take it to a tech skilled with fret and nut work. Someone who can cut a bone nut from scratch and does refrets often should be a better bet than someone just doing general setup work.

I would not shim the neck. The pics show decent enough break angle on the saddles.

Thanks, I might ask over there.

I'm playing Indie Rock, Alternative and a bit of Punky stuff, so nowhere near enough distortion to cover it.

The guy I usually see is generally quite good, but I'm considering taking it to someone else for a second opinion.

I'll make a post in the Hardware and Setup forum to get their thoughts too.
 
Thanks, I might ask over there.

I'm playing Indie Rock, Alternative and a bit of Punky stuff, so nowhere near enough distortion to cover it.

The guy I usually see is generally quite good, but I'm considering taking it to someone else for a second opinion.

I'll make a post in the Hardware and Setup forum to get their thoughts too.
Sorry,

I haven’t had a chance to deep dive the last couple pages. Have you checked the neck bolts to ensure adequate torque?

Maybe the retaining nut for the tuner?
 
Update on my NG3 weird A sound.

I've had the wiring/pickups reinstalled. Didn't really help, I don't think.

I've had a setup, several sets of fresh strings, adjusted pickups heights, swapped the bass saddle, little bit of alfoil in the nut slot (basically two 'layers, so pretty thin) done just about everything I can think of short of swapping out electronics, levelling frets, doing the nut, etc.

I can't shake this weird A string sound.

I've attached a range of playing. I'd love if someone else could lend their ear to this and tell me what they think.

The strings are maybe a few days old. The issue is most obvious in the file named "Problema".

It's exacerbated when playing harder, I think.

My setup is:
String heights, measured with feeler gauges between the 12th fret and string:

G 2.25mm
D 2.4mm
A 2.55mm
E 2.6mm
B 2.85mm

Pickup heights, measured between pole location and string, fretted at the 24th are:
Treble - Approx 3.5mm
Bass - Approx 3.9mm

Fairly uniform across Neck, Mid, Bridge.

Signal chain is very clean - Bass, Anagram with no blocks (just used for tuning), Scarlett 4i4, Recorded into Reaper.

I've tried lower action, lower and higher pickup heights. I've tried lowering the string tree.

The only other thing I can think of is maybe the nut is a bit funky. The recordings have playing on the open and 3rd fret (should be obvious), so if someone can give an objective opinion on whether it goes away there thatd be good because that would indicate a nut problem.

I swapped out the base plate of the single bridge since it looked a bit eroded.

It shouldn't be a fret buzz issue because it's present on the highest string, not the lowest.

The only other thing I can think of is maybe its uneven wear on the strings, but I wouldn't get as clear of a G then since I use that the least.

I've emailed Dingwall directly to get their thoughts.

I'm pretty lost here and it's really ruining any motivation I have to play. I don't know if this is a new issue or something I've just never paid attention to. I'm wondering if it's normal and I'm just completely overhinking it or fixating on it.

I've had the bass for around 3 years, only owner. 3rd PUP was installed not long after I got it, so I'm not sure if it's that.

Could use some wisdom and more experienced ears.

Thanks in advance.
I've listened to the samples and I don't hear anything wrong. "Is the sound int the room with us now"? Heh. Yeah, that's the joke but if you listen to the MP3s with headphones, do you hear it? I've chased issues with cabinets to find out it was just something on a shelf vibrating at the right frequency.
 
I've listened to the samples and I don't hear anything wrong. "Is the sound int the room with us now"? Heh. Yeah, that's the joke but if you listen to the MP3s with headphones, do you hear it? I've chased issues with cabinets to find out it was just something on a shelf vibrating at the right frequency.


I just listened as well. I don't really hear anything that jumps out that would be noticeable in a band mix at all. It sounds... like a dingwall. I've had issues with what @MultiScaleMale said above - odd vibration from something else in the room at a random frequency.

Just to eliminate all issues - what is your attack like? At what angle are you hitting the strings? Does it happen standing and sitting? Have your tried a heavier pick? The reason I'm asking - I had one client who insisted his Dingwall had a buzz, said the frets were off, etc.. he had a list of what he assumed could be the problem. I set the bass up as normal and it sounded great, I pretty much beat on the strings and it still didnt "buzz". After I gave it back, the client insisted the bass was "buzzing" worse - I had him send over a video of how he played and his technique was ... let's say.. "unique to him and him alone" :wideyed:.
 
Today is a big day.
Almost a year after getting my NG3, I received my first canadian Dingwall, a beautiful ABZ from Bass Freaks.

The pipeline is working, the NG3 was really my gateway drug. And even though the NG3 is an amazing bass, this canadian is a different universe.
Like a good volkswagen vs a lambo.

Im mindblown. Its 3,6kgs, extremely well-balanced, 0 neckdive, the neck is comfortable and fast, feels way better than the ng3, although on paper they have the same dimensions, in feel this feels closer to the 19mm neck of my custom Blasius bass. Makes the NG3 feel clunky and clumsy - yeah, i know thats hard to imagine. Craftsmanship makes it feel premium from the first moment you hold it, and it sounds like how a Dingwall should sound.

Only thing that caught me offguard is how high the fretboard sits from the body of the bass. On my other basses its way closer, so for pulling when i slap i can only fit the tip of my finger under the strings, here my whole finger easily slips under and i get stuck. Double thumbing is also a bit weird cause of this on the high strings, but i guess its all about muscle memory. Btw does anyone know the reason for this distance? Whats the design philosophy? I never played a bass with this distance under the strings.

Amazing bass overall.
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Only thing that caught me offguard is how high the fretboard sits from the body of the bass. On my other basses its way closer, so for pulling when i slap i can only fit the tip of my finger under the strings, here my whole finger easily slips under and i get stuck. Double thumbing is also a bit weird cause of this on the high strings, but i guess its all about muscle memory. Btw does anyone know the reason for this distance? Whats the design philosophy? I never played a bass with this distance under the strings.
That’s my main reason for not favoring the AB line. I just can’t deal with that.

Glad you like it and hope it works well for you in the long run!
 
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