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Dr. Bass BL1580 and BL1260 rig

#41
I'll admit the Dr.'s cabs have piqued my interest.

2460 + 1260. supa modular!

Matt, you mention the 1260 is a bit, well, low bass shy, though I bet it's on par with other 112s. do you think it would benefit from a 17.5" depth?
 
#42
I think the low end of the 1260 is on par with any 12" loaded cab in business. I think my perception of its low end voice is probably clouded a bit by the 1580 that sits right underneath it. The 1260 handles the low end just fine but the 1580 really puts out!
I don't know that a 1260 with a 17.5" depth would sound that much different. It may be capable of a couple hz lower, but I don't know how perceptible it would be in application. Just my thoughts.

I want to be perfectly clear that there's nothing wrong with the low end of the 1260. However, if you're looking for extended low end that is a little bit bigger and more open, the 1580 is what you're after.
 
#44
MM put it well. The 1260 is a smaller box with a smaller woofer. So it ain't gonna have the bottom of the 1580.

BUT, my 1260 is loaded with a "regular", non-neo speaker. (The Eminence Delta LF I think?) It's got plenty of nice, tight, bottom.

Jeez, two of these 1260's would be the ultimate, 1,000 watt mini-stack. Hmmmmm......:eyebrow:
 
#45
The Diaper Geni said:
MM put it well. The 1260 is a smaller box with a smaller woofer. So it ain't gonna have the bottom of the 1580.

BUT, my 1260 is loaded with a "regular", non-neo speaker. (The Eminence Delta LF I think?) It's got plenty of nice, tight, bottom.
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Marc does use the Delta LF 12 in the BL / DRB 1260. The Delta LF has a bit more low frequency extension than the Deltalite II. The tradeoff is efficiency.

I have a BL1260 from 2004. It came with a Delta LF, which I have replaced with a Deltalite II. Although the Delta LF is rated to go lower than the Deltalite, the cab actually sounds fuller and bassier with the Deltalite.

Geni, you and I had this discussion when you were thinking of buying my 1260. I feel the Deltalite is an improvement over the Delta LF. The increased efficiency of the Deltalite makes the 1260 sound much fuller and deeper, as the woofer efficiency rating is equivalent to the mid driver rating. Since the Deltalite is nearly 3 dB more efficient than the Delta LF, it offsets the difference in power handling, since you don't have to turn up as much to get the same output.

One reason that Marc went to the additional midrange control for the DRB 1260 was to be able to tone down the midrange driver to better match the output of the Delta LF.

With the Deltalite, the lows and mids of the cabinet are much better balanced, and no mid control is needed.
 
#46
MichaelVee said:
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Geni, you and I had this discussion when you were thinking of buying my 1260. I feel the Deltalite is an improvement over the Delta LF. The increased efficiency of the Deltalite makes the 1260 sound much fuller and deeper, as the woofer efficiency rating is equivalent to the mid driver rating. Since the Deltalite is nearly 3 dB more efficient than the Delta LF, it offsets the difference in power handling since you don't have to turn up as much to get the same output.
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Interesting. I may need to try the Deltalite in this box in the future. Right now, though, I really like my 1260 as-is. If it ain't broke.....! :bassist:
 
#47
coyoteboy said:
do you think it would benefit from a 17.5" depth?
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My slant face, ceramic loaded 1260 is en route. It has the 17.5" depth at the bottom and 15" at top. This does add a small amount of cabinet volume to the stock design and I'm hoping it can serve as a standalone for lower volume applications.

The only other 1x12 I've tried was a GK Neo 112, and while it had a great tone, it "farted out" at anything other than low volume. I'm thinking that the midrange driver will make it less taxing on the woofer, and the cab design will allow it to reproduce low notes (four string) with enough authority to use on moderate volume gigs.
 
#48
I'm playing a gig currently where something like the slant 1260 would be ideal. I could always stack one on top of the BL1260 I currently have.

Eric, I'm looking forward to hearing your impressions of the new cab, and congrats!
 
#50
lbwdog said:
I'm thinking that the midrange driver will make it less taxing on the woofer, and the cab design will allow it to reproduce low notes (four string) with enough authority to use on moderate volume gigs.
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I really don't think you'll have a problem with the 1260 on medium size gigs. If the 1260 does not meet your needs, just grab the 1580!

I looooove 15's, but have not been using one for a while because one 1x15 has not quite been enough for me. And two 1x15's is just too damn much. I ordered my 1580 thinking that I'd need the 1260 on top for most of my gigs. I was wrong! The 1580 has been more than enough for my gigs (mostly medium size vunues, but with some loud players). And paired up with my GK 1001RBII, I've got headroom to spare, both with the cab and the amp.

If you've got good PA support, and the other fellas (or gals) in your band are not particularly loud, I'd say the 1260 would fill your needs. My two cents.
 
#51
MichaelVee said:
Marc does use the Delta LF 12 in the BL / DRB 1260. The Delta LF has a bit more low frequency extension than the Deltalite II. The tradeoff is efficiency.

I have a BL1260 from 2004. It came with a Delta LF, which I have replaced with a Deltalite II. Although the Delta LF is rated to go lower than the Deltalite, the cab actually sounds fuller and bassier with the Deltalite.

Geni, you and I had this discussion when you were thinking of buying my 1260. I feel the Deltalite is an improvement over the Delta LF. The increased efficiency of the Deltalite makes the 1260 sound much fuller and deeper, as the woofer efficiency rating is equivalent to the mid driver rating. Since the Deltalite is nearly 3 dB more efficient than the Delta LF, it offsets the difference in power handling, since you don't have to turn up as much to get the same output.

One reason that Marc went to the additional midrange control for the DRB 1260 was to be able to tone down the midrange driver to better match the output of the Delta LF.

With the Deltalite, the lows and mids of the cabinet are much better balanced, and no mid control is needed.
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The Deltalite in the 1260 and a 112LF with a Delta LF sounds like a reasonable formula to me.
Anyone on TB use this combination?
 
#52
FWIW, I asked Marc about his personal rig and he said he plays a 1260 stacked on top of a 112LF. Both cabs are equipped with Neo drivers (Deltalite???) and powered by a 1200 watt Carvin head. He said he uses a different tweeter in his 1260, but other than that it's the same cab he sells to folks like us.

In fact, if you go to the popular combinations page on the Dr. Bass website, you'll see a pic of a 1260 sitting on a 112LF. That's his rig. That's actually the route I was thinking about going. Pick up the 1260 first and if it's not enough, pick up a 112LF. Still thinking about the 112 in place of the 1260 though just because it's lighter and I'm not sure if I need the mid driver.
 
#55
Marc just sent pics of my rig.
Geni, Dhl tracking says the 1260 has made it to Baton Rouge (150 miles from me) but the 1580 still seems to be in Ohio.
Drats! I need the 1580 for Saturday.
 

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#57
lbwdog said:
Geni, Dhl tracking says the 1260 has made it to Baton Rouge (150 miles from me) but the 1580 still seems to be in Ohio.
Drats! I need the 1580 for Saturday.
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Wow. One of the few times that I'm glad I'm living in Ohio! A major DHL hub is located less than two hours away.

Not to put salt in the wound, but I'm taking the full stack to a gig on friday. :D
 
#59
lbwdog said:
Marc just sent pics of my rig.
Geni, Dhl tracking says the 1260 has made it to Baton Rouge (150 miles from me) but the 1580 still seems to be in Ohio.
Drats! I need the 1580 for Saturday.
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I have a 1580 on the way to sit underneath my 2460.

We'll have to compare notes after we've each had a little time playing through our respective rigs.

I blame Matt ;) because he is primarily responsible for my initial Dr. Bass GAS attack :D
 

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