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Eden Forum Disappears
- Thread starter Rip Van Dan
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Passinwind
I know nothing.
- Dec 3, 2003
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- Designer/Toaster Tech @ Passinwind Electronics
I just followed your Digikey link and the spec sheet link was there. I’m always looking for more robust switches for my DIY builds and have had mostly decent results with C&K pieces, although there’s one smaller one I would definitely avoid. Researching this stuff can be a real time suck, happy to help a little.
Yes is can be a time suck! Only other thing im concerned about is the fan on the Eden Metro (which works fine btw)...Early Eden seem like great build quality and i like the sound....seems i would need to spend a lot to get much better.
Yea....even with the Metro in my home built head cab, its heavy and bulky...i'll likely drag around the old GK-800RB instead...Metro stays with the 8x10 at home lol!Better is hard to find.
Lighter isn‘t
But I prefer my 810 over the 410 cabs.
The wheels make it so much easier to transport.
Except for stairs
The wheels make it so much easier to transport.
Except for stairs
Way cool! The Rocco Prestia custom cab. Hell of a player. Sad to hear about his passing.Nav,
correct, nothing better
I got three I think, I have to check.
At least one regular NAV WP100, a powered NAV WTX1000 and the latest model WTP Pre, which I use all the time.
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GC may still have the D210XST in the back. They played it. I played it. It didn't sound right. It's possible that some wires may have been touching the cone. We put the speakers back in carefully.Cabs,
the D210XST shouldn't sound bad, it doesn't matter what year.
Did you put it back together and still sounds like that?
Did you check if maybe the wires touched the woofers from the back? That creates the sound/noise you described.
Dan gave you a great inside (as usual, I love his answers, while I keep mine short
Tweeter, I think I lost track. I need to dig up that information.
There were all kinds. Metal, plastic, different color cones.
At the end there are only really two different kinds, because there are two kind of diaphragms that I have in stock to replace them if necessary.
Between them no big difference I could hear or measured.
Dan gives great answers and I appreciate it.
On to my latest. I did pick up a used Eden D115XL for $260.00. The cab is amazing. Someone really took care of it and I got lucky. They did add and wire in a Speakon connector. Of course, I pulled the speaker out. Great Googly Moogly ( Frank Zappa quote there )! The magnet on that 15" speaker is huge. I took pics but I'm not sure how to get pics from my phone to the Forum. The build of the Eden speaker is a piece of art. I think it weighs somewhere around 20 lbs. Even the cab is interesting the vent at the bottom goes clean to the back of the cab and then goes about half way up the back. Bracing every where. The stamp on the speaker said it was a 2001 and the model is EC1503XL. That speaker can hit hard. You thump a B or E string and you can feel it. If you sit on the cab, you get the full experience, whoa! Very happy with that Eden.
I then continued my quest for an Eden 2 X10. I tried another D210XLT. Even call up the other store and they assured me it was fine and in working order...blah, blah, blah. When it got the the GC I go to. the cab looke in decent shape. Couldn't read the S/N though. plugged it in and...nothing...a little bit from the tweeter. We took off the grill and the carnage was awful. Both speakers had 2 creases each. One speaker actually began detaching itself from the surround. Both dust caps had indentations from hitting the back of the grill. I am having GC replace both speakers at their cost. I know the tech ( runs his own shop ) and he does great work. I believe he said he would put in some Eminence Delta 10Bs ( it's an * ohm cab so I guess he will put 2 16 ohm speakers in parallel in there ) or something to that nature. Not sure what that will sound like. I did tell them that I want the old Eden speakers so I can re-cone them later ( at my expense but I want to have the ability to swap the Edens back in if I don't like the sound of the Eminence speakers.
If I had acted fast enough, there was a DNS 210 that was used and had a bit of rat fur tore off the front of the cab for $400 +S/H but someone snagged it before me and I went with the Eden D210XLT.
Does the D210XLT pair well with the Eden D115XL? Both cabs weigh around 70 lbs so I can actually pick those up myself to transport. The D410XLT is beyond what I can handle by myself so I have to find help to get it out of my basement if I want to use it at a gig. My wife no loner will help me and the kids are older and have moved on :-(
I did mention that I'd share some info about a High Pass Filter ( HPF ) that I ran across. Again, I do have pics but haven't figured out how to get it from my phone to the Forum.
I ran across this HPF while watching a video reviewing Dusty Hill's ( ZZ Top bass player ) rig. It's called a Micro Thumpinator.
Here's the link to the web site
[sfx]:micro-thumpinator
It's very small and is not adjustable. Well built. Metal case. The cutoff is set at 25Hz and has a curve greater than 24 db / oct ( so says the fella I bought it from ). I think it was $180 plus S/H ( not cheap but it does work well ).
He was very helpful and out of the UK.
I was having an issue with speaker wobble ( large excursions in and out with the speakers just from muting the strings or the like ). Those large movements were distorting the bass notes and I would imagine also taxing the amp. The setup I was using was an Eden Navigator running flat EQ into a Crown XLS1500 that was bridged mono. It's a Class D amp and the bridged power is 1050W @ 8 ohms. The cab was originally a Peavey 410 TVX ( only 350W rated at 8 ohm ) and then later an Eden D410XLT. When I put the Thumpinator in the signal chain of my pedal board ( last thing before the input to the Eden Nav ), the large excursions no longer happen.
Now, for whatever reason, when I ran just an Eden WT800 ( bridged ) into either cab, I did not have that issue. I suppose there might be some sort of built-in HPF in the WT800 or it's just the way the EQ was designed to not pass frequencies below a certain cut off.
If you are a 5 string player, this HPF is set up where it shouldn't mess with the sound of your low B.
I ran across this HPF while watching a video reviewing Dusty Hill's ( ZZ Top bass player ) rig. It's called a Micro Thumpinator.
Here's the link to the web site
[sfx]:micro-thumpinator
It's very small and is not adjustable. Well built. Metal case. The cutoff is set at 25Hz and has a curve greater than 24 db / oct ( so says the fella I bought it from ). I think it was $180 plus S/H ( not cheap but it does work well ).
He was very helpful and out of the UK.
I was having an issue with speaker wobble ( large excursions in and out with the speakers just from muting the strings or the like ). Those large movements were distorting the bass notes and I would imagine also taxing the amp. The setup I was using was an Eden Navigator running flat EQ into a Crown XLS1500 that was bridged mono. It's a Class D amp and the bridged power is 1050W @ 8 ohms. The cab was originally a Peavey 410 TVX ( only 350W rated at 8 ohm ) and then later an Eden D410XLT. When I put the Thumpinator in the signal chain of my pedal board ( last thing before the input to the Eden Nav ), the large excursions no longer happen.
Now, for whatever reason, when I ran just an Eden WT800 ( bridged ) into either cab, I did not have that issue. I suppose there might be some sort of built-in HPF in the WT800 or it's just the way the EQ was designed to not pass frequencies below a certain cut off.
If you are a 5 string player, this HPF is set up where it shouldn't mess with the sound of your low B.
I really do like the build of the Eden speakers. Granted, the may be "old school" and heavy but I'm a sucker for old school, I guess.
Are the DNA speaker of similar build quality? I haven't seen any pics. It would be interesting to compare.
I also noticed you are a Lakland fella. I had a 2005 Lakland Skyline 55-02 ( came with Bart pups and electronics ). I love the tone and playability but it was sooo heavy. I do still have a 2007 Lakland Skyline Daryl Jones 4 string. I put Barts in it. Makes it a bit darker sounding. I have found some very nice Ibanez 5 strings that I play mostly these days. A Japanese built 2003 Ibanez BTB515 ( it's lighter than the Lakland a bit ) and a 2017 Ibanez BTB845. First neck-thru I've own and it's even lighter than the BTB515. I'm sure the USA made Laklands are much better. However, I can't swing the price new or used for those, so I find my "bargains" where I can.
Yes the DNA speakers are at least as well built or better the Eden speakers (I'm on the DNA Endorsing Artist Roster). The same guy, David Nordschow, designed both the Eden speakers and the DNA speakers. His new speakers have a larger voice coil and longer throw (higher Xmax rating) than the speakers he designed at Eden. His newer DNA cabs are lighter than his Eden XLT and XST designs. Still not super light, but my DNS-410 weighs 79-lbs instead of the 95 to 98-lbs. of the D410XST or D410XLT, and 20-lbs lighter helps. My DNS-210 weighs 52-lbs. as opposed to the 59-lb XST or 68-lb. XLT. Again not really light but lighter than his previous designs.
You probably already said this but is the DNS-210 the most similar to the Eden D210XST or the Eden D210XLT?
It has a very flat frequency response like the D210 XST. I dial in a little boost around 250Hz to get a sound similar to the D210XLT. It handles more power than the D210XST and is clearer and more articulate if you can imagine that. The Eden D210XST is very clean and articulate, but the DNS-210 is more so. The D210XST will handle 500-watts rms and the DNS-210 will handle 700-watts rms. Plus, the DNS-210 besides being clear and articulate with a really tight bottom end, is really a LOUD cab (max SPL=134db).
First time I used it was late 2019. I had purchased the DNS-210 after being accepted into DNA's roster of endorsers a few weeks earlier and we were playing in a large, medium-sized club - not quite a large club, but close. Wasn't sure my 210 was going to be enough, so I also brought my DNS-410 and stacked the 210 on top of it, just in-case. Looked impressive, but I only had the 210 plugged in. If that wasn't enough it would just take a few seconds to unplug the 210 and plug in the 410, which I knew was more than enough. I run my Eden WT500/800 amp bridged at 800 watts into whichever one I'm using.
I walked the perimeter of the club while we did the sound check and it was easily loud enough with the master just below 10 o'clock, and everything sounded nicely balanced. After we played the first song though, my ears were killing me. The spot on the stage where I was standing was shallow, so my amp was about 3-feet behind me. Because it was on top of the 410, those speakers were way too close though and that 210 was blasting my ears. I moved it as far away from me as I could (stage left) but it was still hurting my ears, so I stood back by the drummer on the second song. I could hear when I moved out of its cone of dispersion. So at the end of that song, I pushed it up towards the front of the stage a bit and that got me out of its 60° cone of dispersion. Could still hear it just fine, but no longer killed my ears. Played the rest of the night like that and now have no fear of my 210 not being enough cab at any indoor venue. I reserve my 410 for outdoors and festivals.
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Moving closer to the drummer because he's not as loud as your cab! HA! Now that there is funny! I don't care who you are.
Thought i would share my Eden Metro story with my 65 Epiphone Newport (neck mudbucker).
Mainly thru a pair of TL-606 cabs with EV15L which are efficient and lots of clarity but the 'mudbucker sound' is a powerful bassy tone, so i find the enhance feature very useful and the gobs of clean warm power along with the parametric EQ extremely useful with the 'mudbucker sound'.
I literally can dial up a more P bass tone easily with enough brightness from the GHS compression wounds....back then with Cream, Free and Mountain, the amps tended to breakup a lot (especially Pappalardi with Mountain) with the 'mudbucker' and i am certain flats were used probably La Bella flats?
This is way different thru my setup....i feel i would need at least 1000 watts to improve much over the Metro which delivers 450 watts of clean warm tone...im not knocking P basses or anything else but i am getting closer to an upright sound and the difference was lowering the polepieces of the 'mudbucker' way down...sure i lost a bit of volume but its a WAY different tone than Bruce and Pappalardi, much cleaner.
Joe Bonamassa commented about one of his favs Paul Kossoff with Free and how the Gibson EB 3 'mudbucker' tone was a bit more of a 'tuba sound' at times (which Fraser palm muted at the bridge and used the thumb a lot for this tone)....its just a tone i have been seeking for years...Andy Fraser especially...its a classic bass tone rarely heard today and the Eden Metro delivers with its warm, clean power and extensive EQ..thanks for reading!
Mainly thru a pair of TL-606 cabs with EV15L which are efficient and lots of clarity but the 'mudbucker sound' is a powerful bassy tone, so i find the enhance feature very useful and the gobs of clean warm power along with the parametric EQ extremely useful with the 'mudbucker sound'.
I literally can dial up a more P bass tone easily with enough brightness from the GHS compression wounds....back then with Cream, Free and Mountain, the amps tended to breakup a lot (especially Pappalardi with Mountain) with the 'mudbucker' and i am certain flats were used probably La Bella flats?
This is way different thru my setup....i feel i would need at least 1000 watts to improve much over the Metro which delivers 450 watts of clean warm tone...im not knocking P basses or anything else but i am getting closer to an upright sound and the difference was lowering the polepieces of the 'mudbucker' way down...sure i lost a bit of volume but its a WAY different tone than Bruce and Pappalardi, much cleaner.
Joe Bonamassa commented about one of his favs Paul Kossoff with Free and how the Gibson EB 3 'mudbucker' tone was a bit more of a 'tuba sound' at times (which Fraser palm muted at the bridge and used the thumb a lot for this tone)....its just a tone i have been seeking for years...Andy Fraser especially...its a classic bass tone rarely heard today and the Eden Metro delivers with its warm, clean power and extensive EQ..thanks for reading!
I got the Eden 210XLT cab back 11/28/2020 with the speakers replaced. I was all excited that everything was gonna be great but... when I plugged things in, the bass speakers had a weird buss / distortion from low to high notes when played a low to medium volumes ( it seemed to not be there when cranking things some but I think it's that I just couldn't hear hear the buzz over the bass ). I swapped amps, basses, cables and it still did it. I pulled the plug plate out to see if there was something like a wire or debris against the speakers and didn't really see anything. I did notice that the tech put in Eminence BP102 speakers, which I don't think are adequate - they really have a roll off from 2k and up. Since the HPF / crossover is at 3.5K it really makes the cab boomy and muffled. I did ask for the blown speakers back so I could get them reconed. They are Eminence built EC1060XL4E ( 4 ohm ). I will get them reconed on my own dime but it will cost around $125 for each speaker. However, if the Eminence BP102 speakers are all I'm gonna get out of GC ( $80 ea ), then I am wondering if I gave them an extra $20 or $30 they would put in the Eminence Delta-10B speakers in ( $90 ea ). The cab would need to be rewired a bit to have 2 16 ohm speakers in parallel instead of the 2 4 ohm speakers in series. I would just like to get some feedback on what ( if any ) Eminence speakers would work best for the D210XLT cab. Thanks.
I'd wager to say that the BP102s are absolutely the wrong speakers for that cabinet, and that GC just went with "cheap and on-hand". I wouldn't accept such garbage from them and I wouldn't reward them for crappy support by throwing more money at them.
The correct resolution is for the original Eden speakers to be reconed and accept no substitutes.
The correct resolution is for the original Eden speakers to be reconed and accept no substitutes.
Since the Eden D210XLT is still made, the speakers are available from Eden. If your Eden D210XLT is a 4 ohm cab, it uses two of the Eden number SPKR-7002, which are 8 ohm speakers wired in parallel to produce an 4 ohm cabinet. If it is an 8 ohm cab it should use the Eden number SPKR-7001, which 4 ohm speakers wired in series to produce an 8 ohm cabinet.
Do not settle for the speakers they gave you. Yes Eminence does manufacture Eden speakers, but they are Eden designs, not Eminence designs and Eminence can not sell them separately. You have to get them from Eden. Historically, GC has been an Eden dealer so that shouldn't be difficult. They need to either replace them with the correct speakers, re-cone the original Eden speakers, or give you a discount for the amount plus shipping cost of having those speakers re-coned.
BTW, don't forget to close the not used 1/4" sockets on the dish. They create a funny noise when open.
There were plugs delivered from Eden with the cabs.
If you don't have those just use some foam ear plugs.
Rock on!
There were plugs delivered from Eden with the cabs.
If you don't have those just use some foam ear plugs.
Rock on!
