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Envelope filter/follower addict support group

Posted samples of the Walrus Audio Kangra and the Frostwave Funk a Duck. Used my Fodera YYS for these.

Public - Google Drive

The Kangra is more of a filter/fuzz than just an envelope filter, but it has the standard controls that a typical filter would have, and then add fuzz! To me, it seems like it's a Bassballs deluxe, in that it shares some features. namely the limitations on the amount of fuzz that you can dial in (like the Bassballs, the fuzz is either "on" or "off."). It's relatively inexpensive, and that's a good thing as I can't say that I was overly thrilled with it - TBH, it seems like it's geared more towards our thin stringed brethren - it's a good filter, but I prefer mine to be thicker and juicier. In other words, with the fuzz off, It's a good filter that doesn't get overly greasy - more subtle than say, a Mutron - but it does have good response. If you're looking for something a little less funky and in your face, this would be a great choice. It's surprisingly versatile with the fuzz turned on, however, and this is the strength (it *is* a filter/fuzz after all). Messing with the resonance gives surprising variations and some pretty cool results - i managed to get a good dub-fuzz sound out of it as well.

It also has an expression pedal input for the filter control, so it can do triple duty as a wah pedal. I'm a filter first kinda guy, so it's not for me, but I wouldn't hesitate to use it if I were looking for filter/fuzz with wah capabilities.


Next up is the Frostwave Funk a Duck. Man oh man oh man, this one is an enigma. I kinda describe it as "what would happen if a Chunk Systems Agent 00Funk and a Mutron had wild, sweaty, funky sex and one of them popped out a funky-ass little kid." It is stanky, quacky, juicy, thick ... all of the things that one would want in an envelope filter ... almost.

Just listen to the sound sample - this one is a little longer than most because I was having fun and I also did a little knob tweaking. It just oozes funky goodness - it's like I need a cigarette after I did the sample :-) It's versatile, it's responsive, massive headroom - and I didn't have any crazy spikes like others had, so I didn't worry about blowing my speakers. Side note on that tho - when I ran a fuzz into it, the pedal's volume dropped for a few seconds - it seems like there is an overload protection circuit into it, because when I adjusted things correctly (i.e. non-speaker blowing levels) it worked fine. So I'm not sure what the deal is, but I'm guessing that later versions have an overload protection of some sort. I mean, super cool!

I played thru this filter a lot, and I frickin' love it - but in the end, i have to bite the bullet and realize that it's not for me due to my playing style. If you listen to the faster passages, you'll notice that the envelope doesn't close fast enough for it to trigger on every note. For most players that's fine, but one of my joys in life is playing fast staccato notes thru an envelope filter.

That being said, I have it up for sale but I'm still going to mess with it and see if I can get a better response, and if I can it's going off the market. It's just a really, really, really nice filter, up there with my other favorites. I'm also going to see if I can somehow mod it to add a release knob to allow for faster release/trigger. If I could somehow address that, this would be in the top2-3 filters. It's that good!

And ... that's it for now! After about 50 filters that I've recorded (plus I dunno, maybe 10-15 that I had prior to starting this thread), I've had a ton of fun doing this, and it's helped with my hand rehab as well! I still have a few on my list - the 3 Leaf Wonderlove Deluxe and the Chromatron, an original Meatball and the upcoming Thorpy Meatball, and possibly a Maxon AF-201 are all on my GAS list - the Thorpy will most likely be the next one up, and of course I'll make some samples.

I'll still be on the lookout for cool filters to try - it seems like many of the newer filters are some variation of the MuTron or they have a bunch of capabilities that I won't use (i.e. LFO). I am also going to try to whittle my "collection" down a bit further, but I gotta say I have some damn fine filters, and it's going to be a tough row to hoe if I wanna trim things down a little further.

And that, ladies and gentlemen, is speaking like a true addict :-)
How in the world did I miss this?!?!😲:woot::hyper:

Your written reviews, and the Google Drive link, are nothing short of public service resources for us envelope filter lovers. Thanks for posting!:thumbsup:
 
have a question for you. Are you putting your filters before or after compression? The filters I've tried sound a lot better to me before the compressor, but I also wouldn't want them before my octave, which definitely sounds best after the compressor. Bit of a conundrum.
I do both, depending on the board - for the ones after the compressor, but I have the threshold set so high that it very rarely kicks in, so it's effectively uncompressed. And I agree - sounds much better uncompressed!
Am I correct in thinking that a filter with an FX loop or side chain input (I honestly don't really understand the difference) would be the answer? The Wonderlove has an FX loop, right? I'm also considering getting a an Emma Discombobulator v3 (which has a side chain input) and a splitter pedal, so I could split my signal before the compressor. I also have a Seymour Duncan Polaron which has a side chain input for the envelope follower (which also sounds better before compression), so I'm leaning towards the splitter + Emma combo so I can take advantage of both. Any suggestions?
@mamoth explained it well! And yes, the Wonderlove has an FX loop (as does the GR and GR2). It works great! The EMMA is a great choice, I think what your describing will work great! In fact, I'll try it at home at some point just to test it out.
Lastly, have you heard of the West Co Grease Juicer?
I have! Been wanting to try it as well, but they are pretty rare. Looks like a great pedal!
 
you think the Wonderlove is worth shelling out for if I already have the Meathead?
I mean, that depends on your situation, but I think so! I think of the Wonderlove as a more modern and simpler version of the Meathead/Meatball. Both are excellent filters, to me tho the Meatball is a little more raw, has that vintage vibe, while the Wonderlove is smoother and a bit more responsive - it also has a wider range.

If you would like, I can make a recording of the two head to head, just LMK :-)
 
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How in the world did I miss this?!?!😲:woot::hyper:

Your written reviews, and the Google Drive link, are nothing short of public service resources for us envelope filter lovers. Thanks for posting!:thumbsup:
You are most welcome! This was a lot of fun, and it kept me engaged with bass while I was healing from a hand injury. I plan on keeping the Google drive up to date, so hopefully it will become a long term resource for us addicts :-)
 
I also have a Seymour Duncan Polaron
I also have a Polaron - I'm a big fan of envelope phasers as well!

 
First, thanks moon-bass and all for driving this very satisfying thread!

Regarding the Grease Juicer, I can say it's my favorite of all pedals and if I can only ever use a single pedal this would be it. You should certainly keep it on your "to try" list. Mine is the v2, which I bought new shortly after they came out. I've never tried a v1, but the two added switches are indeed useful. It is nice as a resonant boost, as well as a funky pig. That it can carry a battery is a nice bonus, too.

For reference, rounding out my top 3 favorite filters are the Xerograph Dlx and the Prometheus.
 
This was my holy grail pedal for quite some time, I'm happy to report that I ended up tracking one down! I overpaid for sure, but given the rarity, most likely worth it! I'll post sound samples of course!

Awesome that you could track down a BEP, looking forward to hearing your thoughts on it and how you like it compared to the EP-2. Less control of the phaser than its chonkier big brother, but I feel like it's dialed in just right.

5sg.
 
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First, thanks moon-bass and all for driving this very satisfying thread!

Regarding the Grease Juicer, I can say it's my favorite of all pedals and if I can only ever use a single pedal this would be it. You should certainly keep it on your "to try" list. Mine is the v2, which I bought new shortly after they came out. I've never tried a v1, but the two added switches are indeed useful. It is nice as a resonant boost, as well as a funky pig. That it can carry a battery is a nice bonus, too.

For reference, rounding out my top 3 favorite filters are the Xerograph Dlx and the Prometheus.
You talked me into it (not like I needed much persuasion). Imma try and track one down. Thank you!!
 
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Less control of the phaser than its chonkier big brother, but I feel like it's dialed in just right.
You have a way with words lol. This describes it exactly. It's really like they said "let's find the sweetest sweet spot for maximum funk and then build the rest of the pedal around that " it's fast becoming one of my favorite pedals.
 
My love affair with the Pour Over Filter was short lived. It's not that It's not a great filter .. it's me, not you babes
:) I've met another filter.

Added a recording, the first minute without distortion, the second with distortion. Recorded with my Fodera YYS, etc.

The Pour Over Filter is interesting. I said previously that it reminds me of a Bassballs, and I'll stick to it. It's certainly not a traditional filter in the terms of a MuTron - in fact, if that's what you're looking for I would stay away. That being said, It's got it's place. It's a cool filter for sure - the variability on the dirt is nice, and it's got a little poppines going for it.

Flipping the distortion on, and it takes a new life. It takes a little low end out (if I was gigging with it, I'd definitely boost the lows a bit), but the dirt doesn't interfere with the filter much, meaning it doesn't drown it it and the notes still have definition. Like I said, reminds me of a BassBalls - but more flexible - and that's not a bad thing. I also have to give a shout out for the LED's on the knob. I wish more pedal builders would do that!

I have a BiFilter Fuzz on the way and also have a TARS DLX, so this is somewhat redundant for me. If I didn't have either of those I'd probably keep it. I still dig it, but there are other filters like it that I dig more (at much more $$$ tho).

Enjoy!



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For those interested, I started with the envelope phaser sound samples on the other thread .. first up is the Seymour Duncan Polaron.

 
My love affair with the Pour Over Filter was short lived. It's not that It's not a great filter .. it's me, not you babes
:) I've met another filter.

Added a recording, the first minute without distortion, the second with distortion. Recorded with my Fodera YYS, etc.

The Pour Over Filter is interesting. I said previously that it reminds me of a Bassballs, and I'll stick to it. It's certainly not a traditional filter in the terms of a MuTron - in fact, if that's what you're looking for I would stay away. That being said, It's got it's place. It's a cool filter for sure - the variability on the dirt is nice, and it's got a little poppines going for it.

Flipping the distortion on, and it takes a new life. It takes a little low end out (if I was gigging with it, I'd definitely boost the lows a bit), but the dirt doesn't interfere with the filter much, meaning it doesn't drown it it and the notes still have definition. Like I said, reminds me of a BassBalls - but more flexible - and that's not a bad thing. I also have to give a shout out for the LED's on the knob. I wish more pedal builders would do that!

I have a BiFilter Fuzz on the way and also have a TARS DLX, so this is somewhat redundant for me. If I didn't have either of those I'd probably keep it. I still dig it, but there are other filters like it that I dig more (at much more $$$ tho).

Enjoy!



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Agreed that this in not the "best" for bass but for other instruments it offers a wide range of adjustment I find useful especially for tracking vintage keyboards like a wurly or pianet clav or as an insert filter for mixing.
 
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Hey all! I'm thinking about getting an envelope filter, but it would have to be placed after my other effects (compressor, EQ, distorted B7K). Which filters would work with an active bass and placed later in signal chain?
You really should consider experimenting with different placement of the filter. compressor before an envelope filter will limit the response and range since dynamics is a way to play the filter. A limiter or comp after the filter is a way to even out the peaks that can happen with said dynamic playing. Same can be said for the distortion/drive as each will have a different character.
 
Just somewhat impulsively pulled the trigger on this, but here you go, folks: Catalinbread has cloned the Seamoon Funk Machine in what they call a "Cabinet Series" of one-offs that they call "The Changeling". I thought this was the appropriate thread for this. And no, I have zero association with CB.


 
Just somewhat impulsively pulled the trigger on this, but here you go, folks: Catalinbread has cloned the Seamoon Funk Machine in what they call a "Cabinet Series" of one-offs that they call "The Changeling". I thought this was the appropriate thread for this. And no, I have zero association with CB.



Man .... I couldn't resist!!!! I loved the idea of the Funk Machine, but I could get never get it to work well with my playing style. Hoping this lets me truly bring out the funk!!
 
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