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Envelope filter/follower addict support group

Posted samples of the Walrus Audio Kangra and the Frostwave Funk a Duck. Used my Fodera YYS for these.

Public - Google Drive

The Kangra is more of a filter/fuzz than just an envelope filter, but it has the standard controls that a typical filter would have, and then add fuzz! To me, it seems like it's a Bassballs deluxe, in that it shares some features. namely the limitations on the amount of fuzz that you can dial in (like the Bassballs, the fuzz is either "on" or "off."). It's relatively inexpensive, and that's a good thing as I can't say that I was overly thrilled with it - TBH, it seems like it's geared more towards our thin stringed brethren - it's a good filter, but I prefer mine to be thicker and juicier. In other words, with the fuzz off, It's a good filter that doesn't get overly greasy - more subtle than say, a Mutron - but it does have good response. If you're looking for something a little less funky and in your face, this would be a great choice. It's surprisingly versatile with the fuzz turned on, however, and this is the strength (it *is* a filter/fuzz after all). Messing with the resonance gives surprising variations and some pretty cool results - i managed to get a good dub-fuzz sound out of it as well.

It also has an expression pedal input for the filter control, so it can do triple duty as a wah pedal. I'm a filter first kinda guy, so it's not for me, but I wouldn't hesitate to use it if I were looking for filter/fuzz with wah capabilities.


Next up is the Frostwave Funk a Duck. Man oh man oh man, this one is an enigma. I kinda describe it as "what would happen if a Chunk Systems Agent 00Funk and a Mutron had wild, sweaty, funky sex and one of them popped out a funky-ass little kid." It is stanky, quacky, juicy, thick ... all of the things that one would want in an envelope filter ... almost.

Just listen to the sound sample - this one is a little longer than most because I was having fun and I also did a little knob tweaking. It just oozes funky goodness - it's like I need a cigarette after I did the sample :-) It's versatile, it's responsive, massive headroom - and I didn't have any crazy spikes like others had, so I didn't worry about blowing my speakers. Side note on that tho - when I ran a fuzz into it, the pedal's volume dropped for a few seconds - it seems like there is an overload protection circuit into it, because when I adjusted things correctly (i.e. non-speaker blowing levels) it worked fine. So I'm not sure what the deal is, but I'm guessing that later versions have an overload protection of some sort. I mean, super cool!

I played thru this filter a lot, and I frickin' love it - but in the end, i have to bite the bullet and realize that it's not for me due to my playing style. If you listen to the faster passages, you'll notice that the envelope doesn't close fast enough for it to trigger on every note. For most players that's fine, but one of my joys in life is playing fast staccato notes thru an envelope filter.

That being said, I have it up for sale but I'm still going to mess with it and see if I can get a better response, and if I can it's going off the market. It's just a really, really, really nice filter, up there with my other favorites. I'm also going to see if I can somehow mod it to add a release knob to allow for faster release/trigger. If I could somehow address that, this would be in the top2-3 filters. It's that good!

And ... that's it for now! After about 50 filters that I've recorded (plus I dunno, maybe 10-15 that I had prior to starting this thread), I've had a ton of fun doing this, and it's helped with my hand rehab as well! I still have a few on my list - the 3 Leaf Wonderlove Deluxe and the Chromatron, an original Meatball and the upcoming Thorpy Meatball, and possibly a Maxon AF-201 are all on my GAS list - the Thorpy will most likely be the next one up, and of course I'll make some samples.

I'll still be on the lookout for cool filters to try - it seems like many of the newer filters are some variation of the MuTron or they have a bunch of capabilities that I won't use (i.e. LFO). I am also going to try to whittle my "collection" down a bit further, but I gotta say I have some damn fine filters, and it's going to be a tough row to hoe if I wanna trim things down a little further.

And that, ladies and gentlemen, is speaking like a true addict :-)
 
Posted samples of the Walrus Audio Kangra and the Frostwave Funk a Duck. Used my Fodera YYS for these.

Public - Google Drive

The Kangra is more of a filter/fuzz than just an envelope filter, but it has the standard controls that a typical filter would have, and then add fuzz! To me, it seems like it's a Bassballs deluxe, in that it shares some features. namely the limitations on the amount of fuzz that you can dial in (like the Bassballs, the fuzz is either "on" or "off."). It's relatively inexpensive, and that's a good thing as I can't say that I was overly thrilled with it - TBH, it seems like it's geared more towards our thin stringed brethren - it's a good filter, but I prefer mine to be thicker and juicier. In other words, with the fuzz off, It's a good filter that doesn't get overly greasy - more subtle than say, a Mutron - but it does have good response. If you're looking for something a little less funky and in your face, this would be a great choice. It's surprisingly versatile with the fuzz turned on, however, and this is the strength (it *is* a filter/fuzz after all). Messing with the resonance gives surprising variations and some pretty cool results - i managed to get a good dub-fuzz sound out of it as well.

It also has an expression pedal input for the filter control, so it can do triple duty as a wah pedal. I'm a filter first kinda guy, so it's not for me, but I wouldn't hesitate to use it if I were looking for filter/fuzz with wah capabilities.


Next up is the Frostwave Funk a Duck. Man oh man oh man, this one is an enigma. I kinda describe it as "what would happen if a Chunk Systems Agent 00Funk and a Mutron had wild, sweaty, funky sex and one of them popped out a funky-ass little kid." It is stanky, quacky, juicy, thick ... all of the things that one would want in an envelope filter ... almost.

Just listen to the sound sample - this one is a little longer than most because I was having fun and I also did a little knob tweaking. It just oozes funky goodness - it's like I need a cigarette after I did the sample :-) It's versatile, it's responsive, massive headroom - and I didn't have any crazy spikes like others had, so I didn't worry about blowing my speakers. Side note on that tho - when I ran a fuzz into it, the pedal's volume dropped for a few seconds - it seems like there is an overload protection circuit into it, because when I adjusted things correctly (i.e. non-speaker blowing levels) it worked fine. So I'm not sure what the deal is, but I'm guessing that later versions have an overload protection of some sort. I mean, super cool!

I played thru this filter a lot, and I frickin' love it - but in the end, i have to bite the bullet and realize that it's not for me due to my playing style. If you listen to the faster passages, you'll notice that the envelope doesn't close fast enough for it to trigger on every note. For most players that's fine, but one of my joys in life is playing fast staccato notes thru an envelope filter.

That being said, I have it up for sale but I'm still going to mess with it and see if I can get a better response, and if I can it's going off the market. It's just a really, really, really nice filter, up there with my other favorites. I'm also going to see if I can somehow mod it to add a release knob to allow for faster release/trigger. If I could somehow address that, this would be in the top2-3 filters. It's that good!

And ... that's it for now! After about 50 filters that I've recorded (plus I dunno, maybe 10-15 that I had prior to starting this thread), I've had a ton of fun doing this, and it's helped with my hand rehab as well! I still have a few on my list - the 3 Leaf Wonderlove Deluxe and the Chromatron, an original Meatball and the upcoming Thorpy Meatball, and possibly a Maxon AF-201 are all on my GAS list - the Thorpy will most likely be the next one up, and of course I'll make some samples.

I'll still be on the lookout for cool filters to try - it seems like many of the newer filters are some variation of the MuTron or they have a bunch of capabilities that I won't use (i.e. LFO). I am also going to try to whittle my "collection" down a bit further, but I gotta say I have some damn fine filters, and it's going to be a tough row to hoe if I wanna trim things down a little further.

And that, ladies and gentlemen, is speaking like a true addict :-)
If you’ve been underwhelmed by the Kangra, I’ll just leave this here…😉



Let’s make it 51! 😬
 
The Invalid Link Removed has a variable dirt section that is pretty versatile and the filter covers all the various types but it can be a challenge to find the sweet and/or stinky spots. It's a bit big and heavy but has a number of cool features worth considering.


these go for pretty cheap as well, I might have to check this out!

Edit: and there was one in the classifieds. Emphasis on "was" :-)
 
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I had a great (and relaxing holiday). Got a chance to try a bunch of new (to me) pedals, the Pour Over Filter was one of them.

It reminds be a lot of a Bassballs, but more flexible. It's surprisingly hard to dial in just right, but sounds great when I got there.

Also, for some reason it sounds absolutely phenomenal with an envelope phaser!

More to come as I play around with it more.
 
it can be a challenge to find the sweet and/or stinky spots.
You weren't kidding! I can dial pretty much any envelope filter in super quickly, but this one is probably the most difficult one I've come across. I think the issue (for me at least) is that you have the drive, gain, and level knobs, all which it seems affect the sensitivity; as opposed to most filters which has the single "sens" knob, or the Broughton Joshwah, where the drive doesn't seem to affect the sensitivity.
 
If you can track down the Pigtronix Bass Envelope Phaser, it's worth it. LOVE that pedal.

This was my holy grail pedal for quite some time, I'm happy to report that I ended up tracking one down! I overpaid for sure, but given the rarity, most likely worth it! I'll post sound samples of course!
 
Has anyone ever heard of the Guyatone envelope filters? They have a tube based one, as well as a few others:

Guyatone Flip FB-X Funky Box - Google Search

WR M-5 wah - Google Search

WR-2 (and it's sibling the SWR-2) - Google Search

Of these, I'm most interested in the tube pedal, and the Ultron looks like it has a lot of stuff I'm not going to use.

So .. anyone wanna talk me outta (or, more likely into) some GAS?




 
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I'm the maker of this pedal, this actually contains a fully featured fuzz with a parametric boost in front of it. this goes into a second circuit, which is a synth style Low pass filter, that you can set by hand, expression or by envelope control (either up or down with an atenuverter style control). so indeed it's a true 2 in one :)
hey there! Will these be back in stock soon?
 
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Time to update my list of keepers!

I thought I should post an update on what I ended up keeping, along with a short reason why. I've given up on putting them in some kind of "favorites" order - most of these are just different flavors of awesome. That being said, there are a few favorites that I'll note in the short descriptions.

I'd also note that finding the "best" is pretty much impossible, and also that the best for me is gonna be different for someone else. Envelope filters are highly personal and preference based, and what works for me and my style might not work for someone else. Also, looking back at what I had a chance to play thru, there are some absolutely amazing filters in that list, some of which I kinda regret selling ...

It's also not fair to compare the MuTron clones with the non-MuTron clones - the Maxon AF-9, the Funky Puppy, and the GR2 are all different, and it's hard to make a direct comparison.

Currently own (and plan on keeping):
3 Leaf Wonderlove
- this and the GR 2 are amongst my favorites - probably right after the TruTron. All around excellent, flexible, just great filters
3 Leaf Groove Regulator 2 - see the Wonderlove above
3 Leaf Proton IV - tied for one of my favorite's that are currently in production. Great MuTron sound, currently my "grab and go"
MuTron Microtron IV - also tied for my favorite that is still in production. Closest to the OG MuTron i sound and feel
Mutron TruTron 3x - simply my favorite envelope filter ever. Period.
Artisanal Effects Meathead - Best Meatball clone that I could find, this and the Funky Puppy are my favorite clones
Chunk Systems 00Agent Funk - old school goodness.
Maxon AF-9 - closest thing to a MuTron that you will find that is not made by MuTron
Iron Ether Xerograph Deluxe - sounds fantastic on my synth board
Really Good Pedals Co. Funky Puppy (Chunk Systems Clone) - tied for my favorite clone, and also my favorite non-MuTron envelope filter
Pigtronix Resotron - flexible, for my synth board
Maxon AF-F1 Fireblade - because it's rare, and also sounds killer! This is an easy to use MuTron clone - very much like the AF-9, but easier to get a good sound out of
Fender Pour Over Filter - because it sounds great with an envelope phaser
FKT Octavarium - just a killer all in one synth - envelope filter/octave/fuzz
Simple Sam Schwepa B - because everyone needs a Bassballs clone

I still have a few on my GAS list - 3 Leaf Wonderlove V2 and Chromatron, the Wahvelope, the Guyatone Funky Box FB-1, an original Lovetone Meatball and the upcoming Thorpy Meatball, and a Maxon AF-201.

Some of these are available but only at ridiculous prices, and a few are legit unobtanium. I have my Reverb searches and keyword alerts saved tho!!!

Any questions? Please ask!!
 
Time to update my list of keepers!

I thought I should post an update on what I ended up keeping, along with a short reason why. I've given up on putting them in some kind of "favorites" order - most of these are just different flavors of awesome. That being said, there are a few favorites that I'll note in the short descriptions.

I'd also note that finding the "best" is pretty much impossible, and also that the best for me is gonna be different for someone else. Envelope filters are highly personal and preference based, and what works for me and my style might not work for someone else. Also, looking back at what I had a chance to play thru, there are some absolutely amazing filters in that list, some of which I kinda regret selling ...

It's also not fair to compare the MuTron clones with the non-MuTron clones - the Maxon AF-9, the Funky Puppy, and the GR2 are all different, and it's hard to make a direct comparison.

Currently own (and plan on keeping):
3 Leaf Wonderlove
- this and the GR 2 are amongst my favorites - probably right after the TruTron. All around excellent, flexible, just great filters
3 Leaf Groove Regulator 2 - see the Wonderlove above
3 Leaf Proton IV - tied for one of my favorite's that are currently in production. Great MuTron sound, currently my "grab and go"
MuTron Microtron IV - also tied for my favorite that is still in production. Closest to the OG MuTron i sound and feel
Mutron TruTron 3x - simply my favorite envelope filter ever. Period.
Artisanal Effects Meathead - Best Meatball clone that I could find, this and the Funky Puppy are my favorite clones
Chunk Systems 00Agent Funk - old school goodness.
Maxon AF-9 - closest thing to a MuTron that you will find that is not made by MuTron
Iron Ether Xerograph Deluxe - sounds fantastic on my synth board
Really Good Pedals Co. Funky Puppy (Chunk Systems Clone) - tied for my favorite clone, and also my favorite non-MuTron envelope filter
Pigtronix Resotron - flexible, for my synth board
Maxon AF-F1 Fireblade - because it's rare, and also sounds killer! This is an easy to use MuTron clone - very much like the AF-9, but easier to get a good sound out of
Fender Pour Over Filter - because it sounds great with an envelope phaser
FKT Octavarium - just a killer all in one synth - envelope filter/octave/fuzz
Simple Sam Schwepa B - because everyone needs a Bassballs clone

I still have a few on my GAS list - 3 Leaf Wonderlove V2 and Chromatron, the Wahvelope, the Guyatone Funky Box FB-1, an original Lovetone Meatball and the upcoming Thorpy Meatball, and a Maxon AF-201.

Some of these are available but only at ridiculous prices, and a few are legit unobtanium. I have my Reverb searches and keyword alerts saved tho!!!

Any questions? Please ask!!
That's quite the list!

I have a question for you. Are you putting your filters before or after compression? The filters I've tried sound a lot better to me before the compressor, but I also wouldn't want them before my octave, which definitely sounds best after the compressor. Bit of a conundrum.

Am I correct in thinking that a filter with an FX loop or side chain input (I honestly don't really understand the difference) would be the answer? The Wonderlove has an FX loop, right? I'm also considering getting a an Emma Discombobulator v3 (which has a side chain input) and a splitter pedal, so I could split my signal before the compressor. I also have a Seymour Duncan Polaron which has a side chain input for the envelope follower (which also sounds better before compression), so I'm leaning towards the splitter + Emma combo so I can take advantage of both. Any suggestions?

Lastly, have you heard of the West Co Grease Juicer? Didn't see that one on your list. I've been wanting to try one, but haven't had any luck yet.
 
That's quite the list!

I have a question for you. Are you putting your filters before or after compression? The filters I've tried sound a lot better to me before the compressor, but I also wouldn't want them before my octave, which definitely sounds best after the compressor. Bit of a conundrum.

Am I correct in thinking that a filter with an FX loop or side chain input (I honestly don't really understand the difference) would be the answer? The Wonderlove has an FX loop, right? I'm also considering getting a an Emma Discombobulator v3 (which has a side chain input) and a splitter pedal, so I could split my signal before the compressor. I also have a Seymour Duncan Polaron which has a side chain input for the envelope follower (which also sounds better before compression), so I'm leaning towards the splitter + Emma combo so I can take advantage of both. Any suggestions?

Lastly, have you heard of the West Co Grease Juicer? Didn't see that one on your list. I've been wanting to try one, but haven't had any luck yet.
The biggest difference between an FX loop and a side chain input comes down to whether or not you'll use the octave/fuzz/whatever independently from the filter. If you'll only ever use them together, the FX loop has the advantage of letting you disengage the entire chain just by turning off the filter pedal. In your case, you could place the compressor and octave into the filter's loop, but that would prevent you from using the compressor elsewhere in the signal chain. The splitter pedal with the side-chain input pedals will also work as you're describing. If you've already got one pedal with a side-chain, and there are more that have caught your eye, then I think that route is worth exploring.

@moon-bass you think the Wonderlove is worth shelling out for if I already have the Meathead?
 

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