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Epifani Club! I've seen the "light"!

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#81
bikeplate said:
HI

Yea. I found the PS's to be rounder, more traditional sounding. They are awesome, also

Rob
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+1

the ultralites are much faster feeling under the fingertips, while the performance speakers feel more relaxed. the ps will have that more familiar ceramic sound.

like bike said, the ps4x10's have a rounder sound that's slightly bumped with some lower mid to lows that might make you think old school. but it has this articulation keeps it from getting ampeg cab muddy and doesnt get overly sizzly / harsh in the tweeter ala those more aggressively voiced cabs.

can only imagine nick making his own sealed old school 6x10 or 8x10 cab w/ those babies!!

the ps112 however is nothing like its more refined cousin, the ul112. again, the ul cab's feel is much faster and immediate, while the ps112 is rounder.

the ps112 is even rounder than the aguilar gs112. the aguilar seems to go deeper with almost more expansive and slightly softly focused sound, that with more wattage seems to become more upfront and brownie thick. while, on the other hand, ps112's low mid to lows bump make it more stouter sounding, where that extra wattage seems to add a more pounding wallop.
 
#82
andertone said:
Hey Coyoteboy!

I still play my T212 and T112 (both pre NYC) when
my band plays outside (QSC PLX2402/AlembicF2b/Sans Para DI)

Hate to admit it , but picked up a Berg HT112 and Eden WT400
for my lounge twice a month gig, punchy little thing.

The Epi's come out when there is some serious air moving
to be had

Phil
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Hey back, Phil. They were ill concieved sales, leading to my Acme phase. ;) I'm actually working to recreate that rig with my new Aguilar amp and a similarly modular stack of a make I won't mention in this here Epifani thread. :ninja:
 
#83
Sign me up! Here I am with my my Epi UL310 S2! Awesome cab!

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#85
Lync said:
Even though they are different cabs, how does the performance stack up to the UL series?
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While I do not have one, the PS 410 is my favorite cab on the market. I narrowed my search down to the UL 310 and PS 410 and ended up going with the 310 for size and weight reasons. I still definitely prefer the sound of the PS 410 over anything. Hey, if I had a road crew who moved my stuff from show to show, you know I would have a couple of the PS 410s!
 
#87
So who has used the the UL-902 and UL-502 through the UL212 and can tell me if the 902 sounds just like the 502 only way louder?

I love the tone I get from the 502 so much.


I haven't ever needed all the power of the 502 but the 902 is only 4 pounds heaver and with a lot more power.
 
#88
prsbass said:
So who has used the the UL-902 and UL-502 through the UL212 and can tell me if the 902 sounds just like the 502 only way louder?

I love the tone I get from the 502 so much.


I haven't ever needed all the power of the 502 but the 902 is only 4 pounds heaver and with a lot more power.
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I believe Jae (Joker) has used the 902 and 502 through two 112UL's, so if he doesn't show up here, PM him.

My feeling is that you have answered your own question. With the single 4ohm 212UL, the cab will be pushed to its limit before the 502 will (which supports your comment that youv'e never needed all the power of the 502). Using a single side of the 902 will give you about 300 more watts that you probably don't need. If you are going to use two of the 212UL's, that would be a very different story IMO!



The addition of 200 or 300 watts can make a huge difference if you are starting from a low base wattage (i.e., going from 200 watts to 500 watts). However, once you hit that magic 500 to 600 watt range, additional watts won't help that much in a relatively small cab like the UL212 IME.

Don't get me wrong, it would kill, and you would probably notice a tough more 'ooomph' in the low end, but I'm not sure it would be worth the $1,000 or more for the upgrade in your situation.

Edit: I believe one of the things that has kept the 902 from really making an impact in the bass amplification category (besides the high absolute cost) is that it needs to be used with two identical cabs (two large 4ohm cabs or four 8ohm cabs) to get the full power out of it and make use of both sides of the amp. It can't be bridged, and there is no balance control to match the SPL of two different cabs.
 
#89
KJung said:
I believe Jae (Joker) has used the 902 and 502 through two 112UL's, so if he doesn't show up here, PM him.

My feeling is that you have answered your own question. With the single 4ohm 212UL, the cab will be pushed to its limit before the 502 will (which supports your comment that youv'e never needed all the power of the 502). Using a single side of the 902 will give you about 300 more watts that you probably don't need. If you are going to use two of the 212UL's, that would be a very different story IMO!

The addition of 200 or 300 watts can make a huge difference if you are starting from a low base wattage (i.e., going from 200 watts to 500 watts). However, once you hit that magic 500 to 600 watt range, additional watts won't help that much in a relatively small cab like the UL212 IME.

Don't get me wrong, it would kill, and you would probably notice a tough more 'ooomph' in the low end, but I'm not sure it would be worth the $1,000 or more for the upgrade in your situation.
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Great advice.
I really really like head room and find it to be a crucial part of achieving my tone. That's the reason why I'm interested in the extra power.
I also play shows where the only thing going through the PA is vocals and worry about being under powered. While I have never used all the power of the 502 I have turned it up pretty loud before.
 
#90
KJung said:
I believe one of the things that has kept the 902 from really making an impact in the bass amplification category (besides the high absolute cost) is that it needs to be used with two identical cabs (two large 4ohm cabs or four 8ohm cabs) to get the full power out of it and make use of both sides of the amp. It can't be bridged, and there is no balance control to match the SPL of two different cabs.
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+1 on the price, and I agree that the amp would be more flexible with a balance control or two separate master volumes. But IME, you don't need two identical cabinets to "get the full power" out of the amp -- you just need to make sure that both sides have similar sensitivity.

I use my 902c frequently with a 4 ohm UL 410 on one side and a pair of 8 ohm UL 112's on the other, and it sounds great. The 12's tame the grunt that's common with 410 cabinets, and the combination is very loud and powerful. The efficiency of the 410 cabinet is a little greater than the 112's (103 db/1W/1M, compared to 100db/1W/1M), and that's fine, because the 410 will handle more power.

Greg
 
#91
gregbackstrom said:
+1 on the price, and I agree that the amp would be more flexible with a balance control or two separate master volumes. But IME, you don't need two identical cabinets to "get the full power" out of the amp -- you just need to make sure that both sides have similar sensitivity.

I use my 902c frequently with a 4 ohm UL 410 on one side and a pair of 8 ohm UL 112's on the other, and it sounds great. The 12's tame the grunt that's common with 410 cabinets, and the combination is very loud and powerful. The efficiency of the 410 cabinet is a little greater than the 112's (103 db/1W/1M, compared to 100db/1W/1M), and that's fine, because the 410 will handle more power.

Greg
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+1 and good point. If I had the regular need for two large cabs, this head would be on my list. I would think the 902/ 2x310UL rig would be one of the most powerful but yet smallest and lightest 'mega rigs' out there!

My 'full power' comment was in reference to the fact that those of us who use a single cab would only be using half the amp. As I've posted before, if Nick ever comes out with an update of the 502 that is actually 'half' the 902... lightweight, 900 watts into 4ohm, with the same front end, and I would assume about the same price as the current, heavier, lower powered 502... I'm there the day it's released.

I know he's coming out with the PS1000, but I would assume that's built on the PS600 design, not the 902.
 
#92
KJung said:
+1 and good point. If I had the regular need for two large cabs, this head would be on my list. I would think the 902/ 2x310UL rig would be one of the most powerful but yet smallest and lightest 'mega rigs' out there!

My 'full power' comment was in reference to the fact that those of us who use a single cab would only be using half the amp. As I've posted before, if Nick ever comes out with an update of the 502 that is actually 'half' the 902... lightweight, 900 watts into 4ohm, with the same front end, and I would assume about the same price as the current, heavier, lower powered 502... I'm there the day it's released.

I know he's coming out with the PS1000, but I would assume that's built on the PS600 design, not the 902.
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My reason exactly for getting the 902c. I absolutely love the UL310 but if you use the 502, you cannot add another cab if you are using a UL310 because it is 5.3 ohms and the 502 will not go down to 2 ohms. So, my local dealer cut me a really good deal on a 902c and I love. Yes, most of the time, I only use half of it but the sound is awesome!
 
#96
Rev. Cornelius said:
Can I join?:hyper:

I had been using the 115/210 setup until the 212 came along. I love the 212 so much I believe that the 115/210 will soon go to fund another 212!!:D

Rev. C
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Nice rig(s). Have yet to hear one, but really wanting to hear that 210/115 setup.

I'm diggin my 310 and using the 112 for smaller stuff, but wish I could put them together (head won't do sub 4). I've been thinking about having the 210 and adding the 115 for bigger stuff.
 
#100
HI

We never get that far down for shows. The furthest we usually go is Long Island and Boston. We are based in Albany.

I wouldnt mind another 3x10 myself. Loved the one I had. Not too big but sounded enormous. Hope you find your Sadowsky. What was it? I'll keep my eyes open

Rob
 
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