Epifani is gaining weight...

[bikeplate]

HI

Still way lighter than the original NYC's and they sound amazing. If your cabs are too heavy, people, send them my way. I'll put them to good use

Rob

 

[Bass4LifeRS]

Gaining weight? But that's just "normal" american style right?

 

[Eublet]

Gaining weight? But that's just "normal" american style right?

Actually it's a worldwide trend. We're just leading the way!

 

[Bass4LifeRS]

Actually it's a worldwide trend. We're just leading the way!

Haha nice. We (me too) get heavier, but our gear get more lightweight, so the total weight we bring to the gig is constant
Darn that Neodymium, making me fat!

 

[Eublet]

Actually, every time I've been to Europe I've enjoyed the food and the portion sizes. You go to a typical European place, and you'll get less, but it'll taste great and be fresher. You go to a typical American place, and the food is average but it's 3x the amount a normal person should eat. But if you go to an up-scale place here, you get a smaller plate that's really good, but it costs you 3x as much. It just doesn't make any sense.

 

[bassbmx]

I've been into BMX for years and the length those guys go to for weight savings, even for freestyle bikes, is crazy. Sacrificing strength for a few ounces in a lot of cases.

Not saying it's anything like that with bass gear but it is interesting to see threads like this.

I'm not worried about weight. Being 20 and fit means hauling my NV610 isn't much of a hassle but I can definitely see the appeal of a lightweight 410 cab for anyone who doesn't want to shift heavy gear.

In the end, I think it would be sad for someone to chose a cab based on a 9lb difference. Like others have said; when the difference is that little, tone should be the deciding factor.

 

[USAJO]

My UL212 weighs 59 lbs. I know for a fact 10 lbs makes a difference to me. I had a 40 lb and a 50 lb T-112 and I would always choose the 40 lb cab when I could get away with just one cab at a gig. Every time I would would grab the heavy one I would comment about it. Guess I'm glad I got mine before the weight went up. Oh well.

 

[blowinblue]

I tend to agree that on the surface, 9 lbs is not a significant difference, especially when talking about such a great sounding cabinet. But let me share this. My heaviest cab is an Aguilar GS-212. At 69-70 lbs it's weight is manageable but I'm grateful for the casters it rests on. At my age and after all the abuse I've put my back and shoulders through, it is just a bit heavy to carry long distances. Included in this abuse is 6 seasons driving a logging truck in the central Sierras of California way back in the day. However, my Epi UL-410 at 56-57 lbs is much less of a problem to carry for long distances. In fact, I have never felt the need to put casters on it. My point is...each individual has a threshold at which comfort becomes pain. In my particular case, it seems to be around 60-62 lbs. If my UL-410 weighed an additional 9 lbs, I would probably need to install castors. Since I was buying an 'ultra light' cab...that possibly could have affected my buying decision regarding the Epi. Then again, maybe not. Those who are making a big deal about a mere 9 lbs are perfectly justified, IMHO.

P.S. I am in no way questioning Nick Epifani's judgment in this matter.

M. M.

 

[Vic]

My point is...each individual has a threshold at which comfort becomes pain.

Excellent point. What I find most interesting in this, is KJung and I both feel the same way, and also interesting, right about the same exact weight... circa 60 pounds. Seems like something magical about that... Just like 9 pounds for a bass for a lot of people. Anything heavier than that feels generally "heavy", anything lighter than that feels generally "light".

 

[TonyP-]

Holy crap! Seriously, no! All I've ever done is call on the phone when I wanted to make sure I got an answer in the short term. I've had great luck just getting someone. That said, keep in mind I call them very rarely... maybe a year ago last time, so not much of a "test", but FWIW, anyway. I'd just say try again.

I have to say that I never heard back from Epiafni as well.

Their cabs sound good, however that totally lends to one of the reasons that as soon as my Stienberger sells I'm getting the AE410 not a UL.

 

[Eublet]

Excellent point. What I find most interesting in this, is KJung and I both feel the same way, and also interesting, right about the same exact weight... circa 60 pounds. Seems like something magical about that... Just like 9 pounds for a bass for a lot of people. Anything heavier than that feels generally "heavy", anything lighter than that feels generally "light".

So when are you guys gonna wise up and get a NeoX 212? Mine weighs 57 lbs.

Just ribbing you a bit of course.

 

[blowinblue]

So when are you guys gonna wise up and get a NeoX 212? Mine weighs 57 lbs.

When the polar ice caps completely melt!

Just ribbing you, of course. Kidding aside, Genz Benz gear (and service) has captured my attention lately.

M. M.

 

[Vic]

So when are you guys gonna wise up and get a NeoX 212? Mine weighs 57 lbs.

Just ribbing you a bit of course.

No prob.

Seriously tho, if I was shopping, I might consider it, but every time I try a cab that is just 12's and a horn, something in the upper mids seems to be missing or at least not strong enough for me. That's why I'm so much about the 10's.

However, I'm pretty satisfied with my UL410, but if I did end up shopping at some point, I think the AE would get my first eval.

 

[Eublet]

No prob.

Seriously tho, if I was shopping, I might consider it, but every time I try a cab that is just 12's and a horn, something in the upper mids seems to be missing or at least not strong enough for me. That's why I'm so much about the 10's.

However, I'm pretty satisfied with my UL410, but if I did end up shopping at some point, I think the AE would get my first eval.

Hmmm, having heard your cab and mine, not sure if the upper mids would be an issue for you. I think my 212 is more upper-mid present than the UL410. But I'm not trying to convince you or anything.

Do you like the El Whappo or Whappo Jr? I know those are a bit over 60 pounds, so I guess that would make them a no-go for you.

Back on topic, I would suspect that a good pound or more could be in the grill. I would guess that they would've had to encounter enough protection issues for them to do something like that, unless it just boiled down to a supplier or cost issue.

And how can they be out of lighter weight wood when others are not? Any indication from them on this?

 

[Vic]

Hmmm, having heard your cab and mine, not sure if the upper mids would be an issue for you. I think my 212 is more upper-mid present than the UL410. But I'm not trying to convince you or anything.

Really? Wow. I've never heard a 112 or 212 that had the same upper mid profile as any 10's based cab, but I've also never heard the GBE. If I to end up shopping at some point, maybe I should check one out after all.

Again, tho, I'm actually still really happy with my S2 UL410, so it's kinda' moot right now anyway.

Do you like the El Whappo or Whappo Jr? I know those are a bit over 60 pounds, so I guess that would make them a no-go for you.

Dunno, but I think I probably would really like those, but yeah, the weight would be a deal killer for me personally.

And how can they be out of lighter weight wood when others are not? Any indication from them on this?

I don't think they're out of generally lightweight wood, just the really super light stuff they used to be able to get. It really was pretty unusual stuff and I'm pretty sure a big part of the cost of the cab. I'd bet the stuff they're using now is also not the cheapest wood in the world.

 

[Eublet]

Really? Wow. I've never heard a 112 or 212 that had the same upper mid profile as any 10's based cab, but I've also never heard the GBE. If I to end up shopping at some point, maybe I should check one out after all. .

Well, you know how this goes, it's just hard to say. They have a definite upper mid character going on. My thing is that I think there are just a handful of cabinets out there that have certain qualities that I find necessary. Some of them overlap, and I think the Epi 410 and the Neox 212 are two of them. The punchiness, clarity in the mids and upper mids, and tightness in the bottom. So maybe you'd dig it, and maybe not. It's just another good quality cab with a refined sound in the weight category that most of us in this thread would probably go for. I really think it's one of a few 212's that competes against a 410 in terms of feel. Since you editorialized about the added weight possibly giving the AE410 an edge, it made me think that it would also give the NeoX 212 an edge for some folks.

 

[Vic]

Well, you know how this goes...

OT, but interesting stuff, so PM sent.

 

[Jazzdogg]

<SNIP>...every time I try a cab that is just 12's and a horn, something in the upper mids seems to be missing or at least not strong enough for me. That's why I'm so much about the 10's.<SNIP>

You just described the reason I bought a Dr. Bass 2460 neo

I've never played through the Epifani 410, or the new Bergantino 410, but I like the sound of the 2460 better than every other 4x10 I've played through cuz it's clean, ballsy, and punchy - like vintage Ali!

 

[tallboybass]

Well, you know how this goes, it's just hard to say. They have a definite upper mid character going on. My thing is that I think there are just a handful of cabinets out there that have certain qualities that I find necessary. Some of them overlap, and I think the Epi 410 and the Neox 212 are two of them. The punchiness, clarity in the mids and upper mids, and tightness in the bottom. So maybe you'd dig it, and maybe not. It's just another good quality cab with a refined sound in the weight category that most of us in this thread would probably go for. I really think it's one of a few 212's that competes against a 410 in terms of feel. Since you editorialized about the added weight possibly giving the AE410 an edge, it made me think that it would also give the NeoX 212 an edge for some folks.

Mmmm, this really makes me want to try the NeoX212......I loves my UL410S1 but......

I just weighed my UL410S1 and, with lightweight casters, it tips my completely unreliable bathroom scales at 66.5 lbs!!!!

 

[::::BASSIST::::]

Dang I have to buy a pre-owned UL112 right quick!

I know Epifani can't and shouldn't circumvent the European standards, but why not just go back to the lighter grill? Has it been that much of a problem? Hopefully they will be able to locate another source of really lightweight plywood. I have a hard time believing that couldn't be done if enough effort was put into it.