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Epifani is gaining weight...
- Thread starter Vic
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Hi Jason, I actually have a load-in that is far enough that the only way I can make it is to use the cab as a walker. I realize not everybody needs this, but I was in a near-fatal MC wreck 8 years ago that didn't help my 'long-distance perambulation'.
Love my handtruck for the shorter load-ins though. Definitely gonna wheel in my new 6.0-12T Saturday night!Alan
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Originally Posted by Vic http://www.talkbass.com/forum/showthread.php?p=5727018#post5727018
There's a whole thread on this elsewhere, but I LOVE my Portabag Tri-Kart 800. Super strong, super portable, and even has the ramp rails/guides to go up stairs and such.
+1 Standard equipment! I have the Kart-a-Bag Super 600, same as the Tri-Kart800 but without the second set of wheels on the platform.
Originally Posted by Vic http://www.talkbass.com/forum/showthread.php?p=5727018#post5727018
There's a whole thread on this elsewhere, but I LOVE my Portabag Tri-Kart 800. Super strong, super portable, and even has the ramp rails/guides to go up stairs and such.
+1 Standard equipment! I have the Kart-a-Bag Super 600, same as the Tri-Kart800 but without the second set of wheels on the platform.
That 75lb light-weight threshold figure will continue to decline as the years pass, gym membership or no gym membership. It may not even be based on whether you still can handle the weight, but whether you will still want to tolerate heavier schleps.
+1That 75lb light-weight threshold figure will continue to decline as the years pass, gym membership or no gym membership. It may not even be based on whether you still can handle the weight, but whether you will still want to tolerate heavier schleps.
At least in my case, it's an old injury that is coming back to haunt me as I get older. It's got nothing to do with fitness. I have no problem being able to lift the weight, it's the back pain that follows if I do that bugs me. Frustrating, but there's lotsa' folks worse off than me, so I'm not going to complain, I'm just going to accommodate. That's all any of us can do.
That's such a small cab I can't imagine it being much. I wouldn't be worried about it at all. I'm guessing there's about 1/2 the wood in that cab, and 1/2 or less the batting, so I'd put the max increase at 3 pounds or maybe less by extrapolation. Due to that and the size of that cab combined, I bet that wouldn't bug anybody... no matter how weight-sensitive they are.
Actually Guys, my post was all in fun. I understand physical challenges and it is great that modern technology has whitled the weight down for those of us that need it, myself included. I had ACL reconstruction in my right knee 9 months ago that didn't go well as has left me with a myriad of problems on top of a back injury suffered in a car accident a few years back. The AE410 is a blessing for me, but the tone is what sold me, and I would have still bought the cab if it weighed a few pounds more. I was only making the point that I see some people here drop their beloved cabinet like a bad habit because someone has come out with a cab that weighs a few pounds less assuming that lighter means better.
Yeah, if folks are doing that, it's definitely wrong. I personally don't know anyone who's been quite that fickle, but I'm sure they're out there, and it's foolish for sure. Tone comes first. Always. Even if it means you get heavier gear and just make sure you can get the help you need with it.
Fortunately, these days, there are at least two great choices now in the "ultralight" realm. I still consider the Epi to be in that class, and now joined by the Berg. Just Epi used to have the edge in weight, but not anymore.
What about making sustainable choices when it comes to the environment? Apart from the wood issue, the change to the internal material to meet EU standards seems very different to me. I would always be willing to carry a few extra pounds (and I really care a lot about weight) in order to know that the products I use meet the Kyoto Protocol standards. (As I side note I am just assuming this is the case, I really don't know what EU standards we are talking about, but it seems more dramatic when I site the Kyoto Protocol.)
Good point. My BergAE410 has a very light gage grill and I notice that if I tap on it, it makes a nice ringing tone that actually sustains a bit. I have been wondering if that will show up at certain frequencies during playing. I haven't heard any yet, but it may be noticable in a studio situation. I actually wish it had a little tougher grill with more metal surface area.
I've seen this with lighter grills before. The Neox grills are also fairly light gauge, but without having asked about this, I think they solved the ringing problem by curving the bezels on the top and bottom of the baffle, and then securing the grill to that. It's a very slight curve, nothing much, but it gives the grill an extra rigidness, along with a rubber plug between the two drivers. The same approach could be taken with a 410 I think.
The lighter grill's provide plenty of protection IMO. It's the resonance that I've noticed with them in some other designs where they're secured in a flat manner.
I've never had any sort of issue with the Epi grill material in the many years I've been using the UL's. My guess is, the change in grill has to do with costs.... maybe standardizing between the PS and UL lines (I think the PS grills are more heavy duty).
Who knows though. It seems like all this is typical growing pains when moving from a high end, limited, hand made boutique company to a more mainstream company with wide distribution. Making a few hundred cabs a year for gear heads like they did back in the day is a whole different thing than keeping up with Musician's Friend's order volume and the many other retail outlets that now carry the Epi line.
I would have loved to seen them take more of the approach of my marketing and distribution 'hero' (at least in the bass world) Roger Sadowsky. He offers the Metro's to his retailers in relatively large volumes at a good price/quality ratio, but still only offers the 'good stuff' ordered direct and in limited quantities, and his NYC's get lot's of personal attention, etc.
If I were asked (which I wasn't
), I would have pumped the PS line through those distribution channels, and held the UL's for more limited distribution, and a little more 'hands on' love, like at the beginning.
IMO though.... I surely can't fault a company from capitalizing on their success, and the overall sales increase will dwarf the impact of a few grumpy fancy pants boutique guys like me who are huffing and puffing about these changes
Who knows though. It seems like all this is typical growing pains when moving from a high end, limited, hand made boutique company to a more mainstream company with wide distribution. Making a few hundred cabs a year for gear heads like they did back in the day is a whole different thing than keeping up with Musician's Friend's order volume and the many other retail outlets that now carry the Epi line.
I would have loved to seen them take more of the approach of my marketing and distribution 'hero' (at least in the bass world) Roger Sadowsky. He offers the Metro's to his retailers in relatively large volumes at a good price/quality ratio, but still only offers the 'good stuff' ordered direct and in limited quantities, and his NYC's get lot's of personal attention, etc.
If I were asked (which I wasn't
), I would have pumped the PS line through those distribution channels, and held the UL's for more limited distribution, and a little more 'hands on' love, like at the beginning.IMO though.... I surely can't fault a company from capitalizing on their success, and the overall sales increase will dwarf the impact of a few grumpy fancy pants boutique guys like me who are huffing and puffing about these changes
Let me clarify. I've NEVER heard a noisy or ringing grill on an Epi. I have noticed it on some other cabinets. Just wanted to make sure I wasn't misunderstood.
Also, the noise was at lower volume, and likely wouldn't be a problem at all unless it was mic'ed or something.
Also, the noise was at lower volume, and likely wouldn't be a problem at all unless it was mic'ed or something.
+1... but it's a slippery slope here IMO. Ignore the 410UL... does ANYONE like the 210UL(II) or the 310UL(II) better than the B&C loaded Series I'sI would doubt it.
Ken. If you remember my UL212 had the newer drivers in it and ended up with the B&W's.
I much prefer the tone of the cab now than when i first got it.
Not good. I've just been to their website - no changes to the description of building materials or weight specs - yet.So technically they're also willingly misrepresenting some of their products in their favor and against their customers'. At the prices they charge, I'm not cutting them any slack for this.
What should they call this series, "Series 2B" or "2H"?
I agree. No valid excuse for not changing the web info to reflect reality, especially since the product is an expensive, btq cab and people are paying for attention to detail :-(
