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Epifani is gaining weight...

#61
::::BASSIST:::: said:
Dang I have to buy a pre-owned UL112 right quick!

I know Epifani can't and shouldn't circumvent the European standards, but why not just go back to the lighter grill? Has it been that much of a problem? Hopefully they will be able to locate another source of really lightweight plywood. I have a hard time believing that couldn't be done if enough effort was put into it.
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IMHO the strength benefits outweigh what I would suspect would be a pretty small percentage of the overall weight gain. Definitely a more protective grill... nice stuff. I think the main thing is the wood and baffling material, and not sure what, if anything, they can do about that without altering design specs, which could be bad.
 
#62
tallboybass said:
...I loves my UL410S1 but......

I just weighed my UL410S1 and, with lightweight casters, it tips my completely unreliable bathroom scales at 66.5 lbs!!!!

:eek:
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I make no claims for the accuracy of my bathroom scale, but...my UL-410 S1 came in at 56.5, my UL-210 S1 came in at 37.5, and my Aggie GS-212 (with casters) came it at 69 lbs. All within one pound or less of manufacturers claims. I weigh myself first and then take another reading holding the cabinet (don't ask). :o Maybe you live in a humid climate and your Epi has taken on a lot of moisture. :eek::D I'm hoping that your scale is off a bit. :)

M. M.
 
#63
Thankyou Vic for this thread! Now I know I'm NOT crazy, I think! Just about three weeks ago, I picked up one of those new ul410(II)'s at the bass shop and I was amazed at how heavy it felt to me! I thought I was just having one of those 'weak' days...lol So I never really thought anything of it until seeing this thread. I have the ul410(I) and AE410 at home, and I can DEFINiTELY notice the difference in weight there!
 
#64
dominic54321 said:
Thankyou Vic for this thread! Now I know I'm NOT crazy, I think! Just about three weeks ago, I picked up one of those new ul410(II)'s at the bass shop and I was amazed at how heavy it felt to me! I thought I was just having one of those 'weak' days...lol So I never really thought anything of it until seeing this thread. I have the ul410(I) and AE410 at home, and I can DEFINiTELY notice the difference in weight there!
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No prob. :)

I know a lot of people roll their eyes at 9 pounds, but I can tell... especially since the cab is on the large side, so I think that kinda' multiplies the effect of more weight... at least for me... I'm only a touch over 5,9 myself.
 
#65
blowinblue said:
I make no claims for the accuracy of my bathroom scale, but...my UL-410 S1 came in at 56.5, my UL-210 S1 came in at 37.5, and my Aggie GS-212 (with casters) came it at 69 lbs. All within one pound or less of manufacturers claims. I weigh myself first and then take another reading holding the cabinet (don't ask). :o Maybe you live in a humid climate and your Epi has taken on a lot of moisture. :eek::D I'm hoping that your scale is off a bit. :)

M. M.
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Ok, I tried again using the 'with and without method' (WAWOM) and it came out at 63.5 pounds WITH casters. That's closer anyway, but I know my scales are high. Of course there might be several pounds of bar smoke in there.:eek:
 
#68
~65 pounds for a 410-sized cabinet is not much to me at all. The 212xlt I had was 75 pounds, and it felt lighter than my 56lb 210xst just because of the handle placement and the way it balanced when carrying it. The front side of the 210xst was so heavy that, combined with the poor location of the handles, it rocked forward when carrying it, and you had to fight it more. Plus bending over lower to pick it up made it seem heavier. The 212xlt was easy as you could squat down a bit with your knees, back flat, and just lift it right up. The ul410's I picked up where even easier.

I still say everyone should have a quality collapsible hand truck, and get rid of their cumbersome casters. I can walk my entire rig on my hand truck for several blocks, over curbs and ancient downtown sidewalks, with no issue whatsoever. Bass in a bag over my shoulders, and I have a hand free to talk on the cell phone if I want.

Of course, the Neox 212 I have is much thinner and easier to move in this fashion than all those bulky 410's. :ninja: But seriously, I did the same with my 212xlt, which is the same size as the huge 410xlt, and it worked just the same.

The Safco XL collapsible handtruck is the best thing out there IMO. They have larger wheels, a larger base plate, and it collapses to around two inches thick, unlike the bulkier Kart-a-bags, and has a very generous weight limit. They're a bit pricey for this type of hand truck, around $150, but once you see them you'll know why. They're much sturdier and more heavy duty than the $40 cheapo's that are for sale in most retail locations. I had to order mine online. I've moved washers, dryers, and furniture with mine. It's highly recommended.
 
#70
Eublet said:
I still say everyone should have a quality collapsible hand truck, and get rid of their cumbersome casters. I can walk my entire rig on my hand truck for several blocks, over curbs and ancient downtown sidewalks, with no issue whatsoever. Bass in a bag over my shoulders, and I have a hand free to talk on the cell phone if I want.
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The Safco XL collapsible handtruck is the best thing out there IMO. They have larger wheels, a larger base plate, and it collapses to around two inches thick, unlike the bulkier Kart-a-bags, and has a very generous weight limit. They're a bit pricey for this type of hand truck, around $150, but once you see them you'll know why. They're much sturdier and more heavy duty than the $40 cheapo's that are for sale in most retail locations. I had to order mine online. I've moved washers, dryers, and furniture with mine. It's highly recommended.
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There's a whole thread on this elsewhere, but I LOVE my Portabag Tri-Kart 800. Super strong, super portable, and even has the ramp rails/guides to go up stairs and such.
 
#71
Take it from someone that has been moving cabs for 30 + years and can remember when a light cabinet was 100lbs. Buy the cabinet you want for the tone it gives you. It's funny to me to hear some of you guys ready to jump ship and buy another cabinet because of a few pounds here or there. In my book, anything under about 75lbs. is lightweight. Maybe instead of spending all your money on the newest lightweight cab to hit the block, what some of you really need is a gym membership! :hyper:

(Of course, this is written by a man with a new AE410 in my studio :D )
 
#73
Rhythm5 said:
Take it from someone that has been moving cabs for 30 + years and can remember when a light cabinet was 100lbs. Buy the cabinet you want for the tone it gives you. It's funny to me to hear some of you guys ready to jump ship and buy another cabinet because of a few pounds here or there. In my book, anything under about 75lbs. is lightweight. Maybe instead of spending all your money on the newest lightweight cab to hit the block, what some of you really need is a gym membership! :hyper:

(Of course, this is written by a man with a new AE410 in my studio :D )
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That's pretty much the way I used to think. I had a Hartke 410XL for 20 years that I toted everywhere. It weighed a freakin' ton, but I was a strong young lad.

Then I got old and herniated a disk in my back and had back surgery. :eek:

Now weight matters more to me. I'm not a particularly good player when I'm writhing on the floor in agony. :p

I can still schlep my rack (60 lbs.) and IP310 (86 lbs.) around, but if I can get 90% of the tone of my rack/IP rig at half the weight, and I'm mostly playing in dive bars where no one but me cares or can hear the difference, then why risk my back?

(also written by a man with an AE410 in his living room). :D

Bottom line: If I ordered an expensive "ultralight" cab based on the listed weight of 57 lbs. and it showed up weighing 66 lbs., I'd be upset. Heck, if weight didn't matter, then there might not be much interest in expensive ultralight cabs at all. I'd have probably bought an NV610 instead of my AE410.

Eublet: Thanks for the info on the Safco collapsible handtruck. I might have to look into one of those.
 
#76
Rhythm5 said:
Honestly, my Aguilar GS212 weighed in at about 71 lbs. and I always found it a breeze to move around, so I stick with my theory that anything under 75lbs. is lightweight. And at 46 I'm am starting to feel the weight more and more.
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I agree that anything under 75 lbs. is lightweight. My 63 lb. AE410 is a breeze to move, even without casters/dolly/handtruck, etc.

Heck, back in the old days I used to have to help tote around a Hammond B3 for the keyboard player. It sounded INCREDIBLE, but it was a major pain to move. Compared to that, anything's lightweight! :p

However, for me it's more about honesty in advertising. Maybe they just haven't had a chance to update the website yet, but the UL410 is still listed as weighing 57 lbs. I'd be a little miffed if I ordered one based on that, and it showed up weighing almost 20% more than what was listed.

It's kind of like ordering a bass listed as weighing 8 lbs. by the seller but actually shows up weighing 10 lbs. Two pounds isn't all that big of a difference, right? I can (and sometimes do) gig with a bass that weighs more than that, but I'd still be cranky at the seller for misrepresenting the bass in question.
 
#77
tallboybass said:
Well then, for me this is just another reason to never get rid of my UL410S1. A 9 pound weight gain is a BIG deal to me. I am barely able to wrestle this cab up and down the stairs (3) to my garage. I'm definitely a 'special needs kid' but I selected this cab, not because I'm into the squeeky clean tone, but into the size vs. weight vs. big sound factor. I grew to love the smooth sound of this cab and the great low end it effortlessly produces. As a one-cab solution, it is phenomenal! For me, the extra depth means more room to stack stuff as I roll the whole mess in the venue in one trip.

Thank you, thank you very much....
Alan

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Could not agree more. My UL410 S1 & UL112 (S1) X 2...ARE GOING NOWHERE!
Having 2 bad knees and a bad back...9 lbs is a huge difference. Nick & the boys better be careful. This is the whole reason they switched drivers from S1 to S2 is the same reason the wood thing is.
 
#80
Rhythm5 said:
Take it from someone that has been moving cabs for 30 + years and can remember when a light cabinet was 100lbs. Buy the cabinet you want for the tone it gives you. It's funny to me to hear some of you guys ready to jump ship and buy another cabinet because of a few pounds here or there. In my book, anything under about 75lbs. is lightweight. Maybe instead of spending all your money on the newest lightweight cab to hit the block, what some of you really need is a gym membership! :hyper:

(Of course, this is written by a man with a new AE410 in my studio :D )
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I guess it's easy to dispense advise like this if you're unaware of the physical challenges some of us face.
 

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