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Eric Avery returns to Jane's Addiction

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lermgalieu said:
It's sad. Say what you want about Perry, but IMO there is no Jane's without him. I have to give him props - he created an extremely distinct sound both with Jane's and Porno for Pyros (and accomplished huge things with Lollapalooza), and I don't think I would have been into either of those bands nearly as much without his distinct and odd presence. I also think there is a deep connection between all four band members - you could see it in Dave's reaction (like: "why do you have to ruin a good thing?") and even Eric's (which was more like rage that Perry would do this when Eric had FINALLY come back). I can only speculate what's going on with Perry, but I would guess it's not actually anything like dementia, but is truly related to how he is hearing and perceiving the performance. I am sure the tinnitus is real, and he is having trouble keeping track of where he is in songs and actually getting the notes out. Contrary to his wife's nonsense, this really should not be about in-ears, unless they are doing it completely wrong, which is hard to believe for 4 old pros. Note that ear issues (whether tinnitus or wax build up) can exacerbate or cause dementia-like symptoms. Couple that with an unstable personality and some substance(s), and Perry lashed out at the nearest person who was doing just fine. If you watch the longer video of this incident, you can see that prior to it happening, Perry was singing where there should have been a guitar solo. Dave walked over and tapped his shoulder, pointed to himself, and started the solo. In the moment, a confused and disoriented Perry thought that Dave was being a dick, shutting him down and taking over. I sincerely think Dave was trying to help, which jives with his confused look when Perry attacked him. Anyway, just my thoughts on the matter. I think there is love between these guys, and I personally would like to see Perry get his s$it straight, because from what I have heard the band was on fire, and there were shows where Perry was singing well. I think they'd been on tour too long and everything imploded.
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It seems they've always operated on the edge of disbanding, even from their early days. I agree that there's no Jane's without Perry, but his eccentric nature paired with substances apparently isn't tenable for any extended period of time. I can't speak to whether or not he has a substance abuse issue, but given his history, it wouldn't be surprising.

I hope we eventually get to hear more new material with the original 4, but I'm not optimistic for that or another tour. Maybe it's best to just let it be.
 
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friskinator said:
It seems they've always operated on the edge of disbanding, even from their early days. I agree that there's no Jane's without Perry, but his eccentric nature paired with substances apparently isn't tenable for any extended period of time. I can't speak to whether or not he has a substance abuse issue, but given his history, it wouldn't be surprising.

I hope we eventually get to hear more new material with the original 4, but I'm not optimistic for that or another tour. Maybe it's best to just let it be.
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Agreed, except they've already released a new song since then. I know it was in the can, but I get the sense there's more in the can. Maybe there will be a new album but no more tours. Who knows. Nothing's shocking with these guys ;-)
 
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lermgalieu said:
It's sad. Say what you want about Perry, but IMO there is no Jane's without him. I have to give him props - he created an extremely distinct sound both with Jane's and Porno for Pyros (and accomplished huge things with Lollapalooza), and I don't think I would have been into either of those bands nearly as much without his distinct and odd presence. I also think there is a deep connection between all four band members - you could see it in Dave's reaction (like: "why do you have to ruin a good thing?") and even Eric's (which was more like rage that Perry would do this when Eric had FINALLY come back). I can only speculate what's going on with Perry, but I would guess it's not actually anything like dementia, but is truly related to how he is hearing and perceiving the performance. I am sure the tinnitus is real, and he is having trouble keeping track of where he is in songs and actually getting the notes out. Contrary to his wife's nonsense, this really should not be about in-ears, unless they are doing it completely wrong, which is hard to believe for 4 old pros. Note that ear issues (whether tinnitus or wax build up) can exacerbate or cause dementia-like symptoms. Couple that with an unstable personality and some substance(s), and Perry lashed out at the nearest person who was doing just fine. If you watch the longer video of this incident, you can see that prior to it happening, Perry was singing where there should have been a guitar solo. Dave walked over and tapped his shoulder, pointed to himself, and started the solo. In the moment, a confused and disoriented Perry thought that Dave was being a dick, shutting him down and taking over. I sincerely think Dave was trying to help, which jives with his confused look when Perry attacked him. Anyway, just my thoughts on the matter. I think there is love between these guys, and I personally would like to see Perry get his s$it straight, because from what I have heard the band was on fire, and there were shows where Perry was singing well. I think they'd been on tour too long and everything imploded.
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I will.say that in every video I've seen of that incident, you could not hear the vocals. Perry has a real point about stage volume, if I was in the audience I would also be pissed at that mix.
 
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jerry said:
I will.say that in every video I've seen of that incident, you could not hear the vocals. Perry has a real point about stage volume, if I was in the audience I would also be pissed at that mix.
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You are conflating things though, and remember almost all of those comments come from his enabling wife. The "stage volume" shouldn't matter to him if they are using their in-ears properly. There are two issues: a) can he hear himself and b) can the audience hear him? On a), if the in-ears have a proper seal and are mixed properly, he can hear himself. If he can't, it's a hearing issue (or an IEM mix issue), nothing to do with stage volume. If the stage volume is too loud, yes, maybe the people in the front can't hear the vox as well, but the only thing he would know about that would be second hand. Also keep in mind that he has a vocal effects unit right there, and always has, and I am willing to bet that thing has a level on it too. I certainly don't think a cell phone video is enough to tell the story, and even if it does tell us something, as you said, it only tells us something about what the audience can hear, and nothing about what Perry can hear.
 
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jerry said:
Too loud of a guitar solo I would think. I've seen encounters almost that bad between a singer and guitar player a few times in my gigging life.
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No. See my last reply to you above, and also my initial comment. He got pissed because Dave let him know he was singing where the guitar solo should be and started playing the guitar solo. Dave was completely right. You can see it in the videos that capture what happened before the altercation. And the “too loud” thing is false. They use IEMs. Perry has his own mix. He doesn’t hear the on stage volume. He’s got hearing issues and confusion, clearly, but it doesn’t have anything to do with the solo being “too loud.”
 
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lermgalieu said:
It's sad. Say what you want about Perry, but IMO there is no Jane's without him. I have to give him props - he created an extremely distinct sound both with Jane's and Porno for Pyros (and accomplished huge things with Lollapalooza), and I don't think I would have been into either of those bands nearly as much without his distinct and odd presence. I also think there is a deep connection between all four band members - you could see it in Dave's reaction (like: "why do you have to ruin a good thing?") and even Eric's (which was more like rage that Perry would do this when Eric had FINALLY come back). I can only speculate what's going on with Perry, but I would guess it's not actually anything like dementia, but is truly related to how he is hearing and perceiving the performance. I am sure the tinnitus is real, and he is having trouble keeping track of where he is in songs and actually getting the notes out. Contrary to his wife's nonsense, this really should not be about in-ears, unless they are doing it completely wrong, which is hard to believe for 4 old pros. Note that ear issues (whether tinnitus or wax build up) can exacerbate or cause dementia-like symptoms. Couple that with an unstable personality and some substance(s), and Perry lashed out at the nearest person who was doing just fine. If you watch the longer video of this incident, you can see that prior to it happening, Perry was singing where there should have been a guitar solo. Dave walked over and tapped his shoulder, pointed to himself, and started the solo. In the moment, a confused and disoriented Perry thought that Dave was being a dick, shutting him down and taking over. I sincerely think Dave was trying to help, which jives with his confused look when Perry attacked him. Anyway, just my thoughts on the matter. I think there is love between these guys, and I personally would like to see Perry get his s$it straight, because from what I have heard the band was on fire, and there were shows where Perry was singing well. I think they'd been on tour too long and everything imploded.
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On tour too long? Three months? Poor things.
 
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lermgalieu said:
They've been touring wayyyyyy longer than that (excluding Dave). I mean maybe they had a bit of a break, but they have toured a lot over the past couple of years.
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If they had, it escaped my radar. All I know is that, all of a sudden, they were doing small venue gigs in London in August, which sounded like prep for a big tour and to generate excitement about it.
 
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friskinator said:
They tried that already back in the early 2000s. I actually dig this record - some killer playing from Chris Chaney on it.

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I agree. For me, The Panic Channel and Deconstruction (Navarro/Avery) short lived project bands are lesser known oddity masterpieces in my opinion. I'd be way more excited to see either of them make another album over a Jane's re-reunion attempt at this point. I'm pretty sure JA is flatline dead after this catastrophe ending.
 
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Snibborwocky said:
I agree. For me, The Panic Channel and Decontruction (Navarro/Avery) short lived project bands are lesser known oddity masterpieces in my opinion. I'd be way more excited to see either of them make another album over a Jane's re-reunion attempt at this point. I'm pretty sure JA is flatline dead after this catastrophe ending.
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I wish the Deconstruction record would get a re-release, or at least get added to streaming services. As of now, it only lives on YouTube.

I saw The Panic Channel twice when that record was released. Great shows, and I got to meet Chaney after one of them. Super nice and humble guy that talked shop with me for about an hour.
 
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Michedelic said:
If they had, it escaped my radar. All I know is that, all of a sudden, they were doing small venue gigs in London in August, which sounded like prep for a big tour and to generate excitement about it.
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They did a ton of gigs over the past year with two different guitarists subbing for Dave because he wasn’t physically up for it. The hype over London was that Dave was back, which made it finally the OG lineup.
 
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From reports, clips and reviews , I think it's pretty clear, Perry's voice was more or less declining for weeks prior to the physical altercation.

This is a second hand account, but my friends (bandmates) and I had tickets for their first night in NYC, I couldn't make it and was disappointed to not be there, until I got a text from my friend telling me the show was cut short. He described it this way, Perry was a mess and appeared to be, well, "out of it".... missing cues, flubbing lyrics and ranting. I got the feeling the band - Dave, Eric, and Stephan -- absolutely rocked, sounding tight, and were trying to comfort and guide Perry throughout the show until they walked off without playing Mountain Song, Stealing.... This comes from a die-hard Janes fan. What I read was even harsher about Perry. Fans shouting at him, "just sing" while he was doing some impromptu adlib talk up to the crowd.

Being a fan of this band since day 1, my guess is Perry Farrell's ego was under attack, and became frustrated by his inability to be the focal point of the show as he has been accustomed to most of his career and he lashed out at Dave who, after lost of hard work of physical and mental preparation was back in his out of this world form. I'm sorry to say this from ten thousands miles away, but rather than Perry (and his wife) blaming the mix, I think by all indications he needs to own & address what is going on with himself emotionally and physically and put himself in a better space, spiritually.

Looks like the band canceled the tour and apologized (in a statement without PF), and appears to be supportive of Perry regaining his health. I hope he does, and no acromony or hard feelings fester, I was looking forward to a new album with the original lineup.
 
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Snibborwocky said:
I agree. For me, The Panic Channel and Deconstruction (Navarro/Avery) short lived project bands are lesser known oddity masterpieces in my opinion. I'd be way more excited to see either of them make another album over a Jane's re-reunion attempt at this point. I'm pretty sure JA is flatline dead after this catastrophe ending.
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We finally got our wish - Deconstruction is now on streaming services.


I've never really listened to this record, but I'm digging it. Definitely some of the best playing I've heard from Avery and Navarro, and some of the songs feel like potential Jane's ideas. Now that JA is likely defunct forever, they should tour this record.
 
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friskinator said:
We finally got our wish - Deconstruction is now on streaming services.


I've never really listened to this record, but I'm digging it. Definitely some of the best playing I've heard from Avery and Navarro, and some of the songs feel like potential Jane's ideas. Now that JA is likely defunct forever, they should tour this record.
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That's great news for anyone that hasn't listened to Deconstruction yet. I saw this news too just last night as I was browsing around the internet. Dave absolutely sounds like he really enjoyed that project and I'm hopeful they will get back together at some point to make another album of some kind.
 
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friskinator said:
We finally got our wish - Deconstruction is now on streaming services.


I've never really listened to this record, but I'm digging it. Definitely some of the best playing I've heard from Avery and Navarro, and some of the songs feel like potential Jane's ideas. Now that JA is likely defunct forever, they should tour this record.
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I LOVE this record. Great stuff.
 
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Very good article on the genesis of Deconstruction here. Lots of info I didn’t know about Avery, Navarro, and the end of JA back in the 90s.

www.spin.com

DECONSTRUCTION: Portrait of a Quiet Masterpiece - SPIN

In late-1992, not long after Jane’s Addiction broke up, Jane’s bassist Eric Avery and guitarist Dave Navarro formed the one-off musical project How Eric Avery and Dave Navarro made music after Jane's Addiction broke up
www.spin.com www.spin.com
 
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friskinator said:
Very good article on the genesis of Deconstruction here. Lots of info I didn’t know about Avery, Navarro, and the end of JA back in the 90s.

www.spin.com

DECONSTRUCTION: Portrait of a Quiet Masterpiece - SPIN

In late-1992, not long after Jane’s Addiction broke up, Jane’s bassist Eric Avery and guitarist Dave Navarro formed the one-off musical project How Eric Avery and Dave Navarro made music after Jane's Addiction broke up
www.spin.com www.spin.com
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Great read.
Thank you for posting.
 
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