Evil companies that aren't WalMart

[Fontaine]

Hmm... I beginning to think that my microphone was broken, from lack of entanglements I was getting into as of late.

Maybe I am naive, but it seems like anyone pushing unsustainable energy with serious negative side effects both in acquisition and usage isn't necessarily a business that I would want to support, especially with alternatives coming into development.

Perhaps you can educate me on where my misunderstanding lies?

ok we'll stop producing oil, have fun driving to work.

 

[Unrepresented]

How utopian of you. And short sighted. Think just a little bit harder about how much different the world in general and your life in specific would be without fossil fuels EVER having been used by humans. You can do it, really.

If you're not careful, I will bring my condescending voice out too.

Yes, things would be different. Humans adapt. That's where we strive. And even if I were to concede that fossil fuel consumption has contributed to society, I'd still argue we're well past the age as a society to be weened off it considerably more than we currently are.

 

[nortonrider]

AIG
- but they don't care what we think of them, they're all too busy counting their 160 million in bonuses that they just handed out after receiving 170 Billion of our bailout money.

 

[L-A]

And you don't believe that fossil fuel companies don't have a clear vested interest in decreasing the speed and amount of intrusion that green energy has on their commerce? They're on the wrong side of history, to overuse a phrase that's been overused a lot lately.

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[ADbassman]

Vector Marketing. They are evil, evil people.

 

[Thunderscreech]

Apple for placing a crypting chip in their Shuffle earphones.

Let alone controlling, you can't even listen to anything through normal earphones.

BOOOOOO!!!!


Steve Jobs and his pancreas can go do reproductive actions with each other.

 

[NJL]

vector marketing:

hahahah i've heard of them!!!

 

[embellisher]

If you're not careful, I will bring my condescending voice out too.

Yes, things would be different. Humans adapt. That's where we strive. And even if I were to concede that fossil fuel consumption has contributed to society, I'd still argue we're well past the age as a society to be weened off it considerably more than we currently are.

Seriously. If not for fossil fuels, we most likely wouldn't have discovered most of the 'alternative' energy sources that you keep talking about. And wait, there's much more, and simpler things to think about than that.

 

[Trevorus]

On a cleaner planet with at least two less wars we're currently entangled in.

We've got great minds on this planet. It may not happen today, but it will hopefully happen soon.

You're dooming any new technology to fail if you're expecting it to compete with an existing one during its relative infancy.

They've fallen short of cheaper because that's the reality of all emerging technologies, they don't have the economy of scale to supplement what would likely be a much more competitive product.

You can't expect for green energy to compete with a century or more of infrastructure, money, and commerce all aimed against it. With the right support hopefully it will.

Still all future goal, which are great. I am not dooming anything. It's motivation for more development. Get working.

 

[mike_v_s]

And you don't believe that fossil fuel companies don't have a clear vested interest in decreasing the speed and amount of intrusion that green energy has on their commerce? They're on the wrong side of history, to overuse a phrase that's been overused a lot lately.

I can promise you that my little venture as well as the countless other companies I contract with have NO WAY of decreasing the speed of squat. And that, my friend, is who makes up a very large chunk of the fossil fuel industry. Hundreds and thousands of little companies you have never heard of. By and large, we are more concerned with getting our job done than crushing the "competition". Greener pastures may be on the way, and probably in my lifetime, but right now things need to be done a certain way until a very lengthy and expensive standardization process happens. I'm on the right side of that.

As far as the "evil" moniker...well, it's pretty funny.

Mike

 

[bongomania]

"I was just following orders."

 

[Unrepresented]

Seriously. If not for fossil fuels, we most likely wouldn't have discovered most of the 'alternative' energy sources that you keep talking about. And wait, there's much more, and simpler things to think about than that.

I will admit to living in a causal universe. Fair enough.

Still all future goal, which are great. I am not dooming anything. It's motivation for more development. Get working.

I can promise you that my little venture as well as the countless other companies I contract with have NO WAY of decreasing the speed of squat. And that, my friend, is who makes up a very large chunk of the fossil fuel industry. Hundreds and thousands of little companies you have never heard of. By and large, we are more concerned with getting our job done than crushing the "competition". Greener pastures may be on the way, and probably in my lifetime, but right now things need to be done a certain way until a very lengthy and expensive standardization process happens. I'm on the right side of that.

As far as the "evil" moniker...well, it's pretty funny.

Mike

But so long as you wish to maintain your jobs, livelihoods, homes, etc. you will compete directly with these industries. It doesn't matter that you're not actively trying to sabotage them as individuals, it's the fact that your established technology is undercutting them in the market.

 

[mike_v_s]

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I've answered this before, but I'll do it again. The consumer killed the electric car. If enough people are willing to buy something, then it will be produced. You guys are aware that you're trying to claim that GM could have sustained the production of a car based on a sampling of around 1000 leases on cars over a few years right? And that those cars were released into a THE market where they would most likely gain a following? Not very representative of a car's actual profitability. Why didn't BIG OIL crush the Prius?

Mike

 

[hbarcat]

But so long as you wish to maintain your jobs, livelihoods, homes, etc. you will compete directly with these industries. It doesn't matter that you're not actively trying to sabotage them as individuals, it's the fact that your established technology is undercutting them in the market.

And here is the ultimate evil that a company can commit. To out-compete other, less economically viable companies in the free market, even though those companies promise to be competitive sometime in the future and they advertise themselves as more moral than the existing companies - which are tainted by the fact that they use their profits to maintain the jobs, livelihoods and homes of the people who work for the company and not give it all away for free.

 

[mike_v_s]

I will admit to living in a causal universe. Fair enough.


But so long as you wish to maintain your jobs, livelihoods, homes, etc. you will compete directly with these industries. It doesn't matter that you're not actively trying to sabotage them as individuals, it's the fact that your established technology is undercutting them in the market.

"My" established technology is the current standard. That's not my fault. There's nothing "evil" about filling a niche in the market that both my clients and my client's customers want. As far as what I need to maintain jobs, livelihoods, homes, etc...one of the possible bridge energy sources will be natural gas, and I'm good there, too.

Beyond that, my skill set carries over to other industries and I already have hands in that pot, as well. It's not a competition to me. I provide a service that people need. If/when that need dries up, I will likely already be knee deep in another direction and less "evil" to you, not that my day will be any different because of it.

Mike

 

[mike_v_s]

Alright, I'm going to bed. Someone else take this up, I've got holes to punch in the earth, EPA regs to disembowel, landowners to pillage and a few fledgling energy industries to decimate. Sleep tight.

Mike

 

[Unrepresented]

I've answered this before, but I'll do it again. The consumer killed the electric car. If enough people are willing to buy something, then it will be produced. You guys are aware that you're trying to claim that GM could have sustained the production of a car based on a sampling of around 1000 leases on cars over a few years right? And that those cars were released into a THE market where they would most likely gain a following? Not very representative of a car's actual profitability. Why didn't BIG OIL crush the Prius?

Mike

And here is the ultimate evil that a company can commit. To out-compete other, less economically viable companies in the free market, even though those companies promise to be competitive sometime in the future and they advertise themselves as more moral than the existing companies - which are tainted by the fact that they use their profits to maintain the jobs, livelihoods and homes of the people who work for the company and not give it all away for free.

"My" established technology is the current standard. That's not my fault. There's nothing "evil" about filling a niche in the market that both my clients and my client's customers want. As far as what I need to maintain jobs, livelihoods, homes, etc...one of the possible bridge energy sources will be natural gas, and I'm good there, too.

Beyond that, my skill set carries over to other industries and I already have hands in that pot, as well. It's not a competition to me. I provide a service that people need. If/when that need dries up, I will likely already be knee deep in another direction and less "evil" to you, not that my day will be any different because of it.

Mike

No one wants to live in an absolutely "free" market. There are reasons we have governments, and protecting us from the excesses and shortsights of the market is one of them.

Corporations are only as evil as the gov't allows them to be. I truly hope that our gov't will foster the new technologies in, as it appears to be, using the means it has available.

 

[NJL]

nighty, mikie!!

 

[embellisher]

Alright, I'm going to bed. Someone else take this up, I've got holes to punch in the earth, EPA regs to disembowel, landowners to pillage and a few fledgling energy industries to decimate. Sleep tight.

Mike

Don't forget to dump the heavy metals into the soil of a populated area and the toxic drilling byproducts into our drinking water.

 

[bongomania]

"My" established technology is the current standard. That's not my fault. There's nothing "evil" about filling a niche in the market that both my clients and my client's customers want.

...Incidentally I am not saying oil industry jobs are identical to slave trading, nor am I saying oil is inherently evil--I do drive a car. However I have a strong objection to anyone arguing that their actions "can't be bad" because they conform to the societal norm today.