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Exar Tourbox Thread

The whirlwind continues with the third and last pedal of the box (at least in the order I pulled them out), the Octavium.

I've worked with octave pedals before. Used judiciously, they can "meaten" up a sparse instrumentation, or give the "George Benson" doubled solo effect. So there aren't many things to remember on most octave pedals except to not go crazy with low octaves. Most bass amp and PA cabs are not particularly crazy about ripping levels of 40 and lower Hz frequencies, which you get to when you attempt to play below the middle E - 80 Hz with a one-octave-under unit, which most standard octave dividers are. It can blow out anything but the most robust cabs coupled with massive power amps. Certainly a lot of the adopters of the fEarful type cabs are players using octave dividers and synth pedals that generate subharmonics, and the Eminence LFs can take that kind of woofer excursion - once again, within reason.

Also, the other problem many octave dividers have is tracking multiple notes played as a chord. Most quality units nowadays can handle fast single-note runs okay, which was not always the case.

With all that background tangential introductory blather out of the way, the Octavium has a few interesting tricks that set it apart from the norm.

The top three controls are all volume controls for their respective +1, -1, and -2 octaves- or another way to think of it is the effect mix for each of the octaves. Yes- this unit does three octaves. Crazy! And it does them well if you are careful how you mix them. This pedal is advertised as a guitar or bass unit, so since bass is already an octave down below guitar, one could think of the -2 octave band as primarily for guitars. If you use -2 carefully on bass, it's still quite a good effect.

There is then a direct signal, which is the uneffected signal volume. Turn that off and the top row all the way down, and there is no signal. The remaining two knobs are tone controls for the -1 and -2 octaves.

The +1 octave is a fuzzed up signal, and you can't change the amount of fuzz or the tone other than by simply turning it up or down. Very unusual. It allows you to record unison riffs/lines as if you had a guitarist doubling you.

-1 octave is what most players have used and it's the most useful, as it does not limit your range on the neck as much as the -2 octave does.

If you play a large amount of the -2 octave, you are pretty much stuck way up high on the neck on a standard-strung and tuned 4 or 5 string bass. -2 is good if you add just a small amount of it to a predominately dry/direct signal, or to a signal that has mostly direct and -1 octave. If you dial up the -2 and play down below A 220 or so, it gets very growly and indistinct.

(Again these observations are probably true for most bass amps, but with more capable heads and cabinets, there is more usable range with this pedal.)

The tone controls are interesting also. The sub-octaves are clearer and more usable with the tones turned all the way down (counterclockwise). The more you turn the tones up, the growlier and more distorted the sub-octave gets- and it doesn't take much before you are into Harley-Davidson territory!

This pedal can easily double as a none-too-subtle distortion box. Just turn the direct level down, crank up -1 octave and turn up the tone - rrrrrroar!

With the sub-octaves turned up and the tones turned up, about the only way to get much distinct treble is to continue to increase the direct level and restore the treble content.

This is a potent octave dividing unit, and it probably should be labeled with a "Caution" sticker, because you can easily blow the heck out of your speakers with it.

Let's see- what else- the unit tracks two or three notes played simultaneously if there is not a lot of suboctave level going on. It doesn't take much to blow up the tracking and cause the unit to become confused on which note to select. As I expected, it does best on single-note passages, which it tracked perfectly no matter how fast I played- until I started working lower and lower notes- then the tracking started crapping out. All in all, for a non-rack unit- it did fine.

Most players will use octave effects sparingly and play higher on the neck, and this is the realm that the Octavium does best in.

Like the Moby Dick, the Octavium is one I would definitely consider. I liked it also.

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So I've completed the quick, and hopefully useful, review of the three Tourbox pedals. I will say that the other EXAR pedals that Cyrus did not include in the Box that I would have liked to have tried out would have been the Bass Compressor, the taBASSco overdrive, and the Multi-Wah and Pignose filters. Also, the Ibex preamp pedal looks interesting as well.

The taBASSco would probably have been more to my liking than the Bass Distortion. Also, quality compression is good to have available, and I have still not found a pedal compressor that I really like. This is what Cyrus says about the EXAR unit.

I'll add more thoughts to my reviews this weekend as I have time, and I should have some, as Knoxville and east Tennessee is supposed to have quite a snowfall going into the weekend!

This was fun. :bassist: I apologize again for not getting rolling with this sooner. I'll get the Tourbox back on the road this Monday. I plan on "glamming" up the box a little bit- it's pretty spartan! I think the battery in the Octavium is still good, but I will check both it's battery and that of the Bass Distortion before I pack them up.

If anyone has any questions for me or wants a specific thing tried out, either post to the thread here or PM me, and I'll see what I can do.
-- MV
 
Awesome! Thanks for writing all that up, I really appreciate it. I'll have to double-check, but I'm pretty sure Exar does not include a battery when the pedals ship out.

I do plan to start another tourbox with the other pedals you mentioned. I just wanted to wait until this first round had made most of its progress through the ranks. BTW, I'm sorry if I sounded cranky in the earlier posts about the timing. I'm sure the holidays slowed all of us down in one way or another. :)
 
Bongo- my pleasure. I do better writing than most. I don't currently have the hardware to record MP3s, so I thought I'd just write my impressions. Thank you for making this possible.

I still plan on doing some further playing through these pedals tomorrow before sending them on their way on Monday.

I'm looking forward to the next round of Tourbox!

Michael Vee

Awesome! Thanks for writing all that up, I really appreciate it. I'll have to double-check, but I'm pretty sure Exar does not include a battery when the pedals ship out.

I do plan to start another tourbox with the other pedals you mentioned. I just wanted to wait until this first round had made most of its progress through the ranks.
 
The Tourbox is on its way! I would have done it yesterday but could not get to the post office due to the heavy snow and bad road conditions here in Tennessee.

I did not get to play the pedals again on Sunday or Monday because of my schedule, so they needed to move along. I did check the batteries, everything is good for now. Also, did stick a small "Tourbox" graphic on the box as well.

I shipped Priority Mail, so it should hit the next stop (akaTrent - you're up!) before the end of the week. Jimmy shipped it Parcel Post, and in December that took a lot longer than normal. He said it went out on Dec. 9, and I didn't get it until nearly Christmas. Priority Mail was still under $10 even with delivery confirmation, and I did want to to hurry the Tourbox along since I had it for about 2 1/2 weeks with the holiday interruptions.

Everybody down the line enjoy it! Those are some nice pedals, Cyrus. I am looking forward to the next round of Tourboxing.

I would suggest that everyone use Priority Mail from here on out to avoid the delays inherent in shipping Parcel Post. Deal?
 
Awesome! Thanks for writing all that up, I really appreciate it. I'll have to double-check, but I'm pretty sure Exar does not include a battery when the pedals ship out.

I do plan to start another tourbox with the other pedals you mentioned. I just wanted to wait until this first round had made most of its progress through the ranks. BTW, I'm sorry if I sounded cranky in the earlier posts about the timing. I'm sure the holidays slowed all of us down in one way or another. :)
i think i left the batteries in the pedals--I get a discount at walgreens, so batteries are cheap.

anyways, if you plan on a second tourbox, i'd love to be involved again, and i'd love to test out the multi-wah and the pig nose! maybe the moon metal pedal too (that was modeled after a gilmourish sound right?)
 
the whole reason i sent it out parcel post is because you were in knoxville and that usually takes 2 days tops. and $1.50 is $1.50.


Jimmy, not saying anything bad about you at all. You are one of my favorite pundits and players on Talkbass over the past couple years. I look forward to hearing you play live sometime soon, and the same for me. Let's stay in touch and figure out a gig that will work.

Michael Vee
 
right on...i knew you weren't bumming out on me. all i did was drop it off ;) it's that doggone postal system. thx michael...hopefully we'll get to hang soon. but i haven't been to knoxville in quite a while. i'm overdue, quite honestly.
 
Just got the box in, Heading to florida for a week though! Expect delays! Sorry in advance!

akaTrent: Two days! :D Yeah, sending the Tourbox using Priority Mail is a good thing. Glad to hear it made it there okay.

Here in K-ville, it's 25 degrees outside. Very envious to hear of the Florida vacation! Have a great time, and would you drop off some sun and heat from Florida as you pass back through?
 
Yep, akaTRENT also called me this morning to let me know what the deal is, which was cool. As I said to him, a delay by itself is not an issue, as long as there's been good communication about where we're at. :) It's like with Zeibek, his biggest problem was not the many delays caused by his personal life, but rather the long disappearances and gaps in communication.

'Course, I was that way when I was younger, too.
 
So I'm looking for a chorus, something to enhance tone w/o the effect getting too overpowering. Sounds like the Moby Dick might fit that bill.

What's the difference between the Moby Dick and Jacques' Meistersinger, since both I just read are made by Exar.

Other contenders are analogman (mini w/ or maybe w/o fixed deep (don't want it too dark sounding) and external mix knob) or maybe a diamond halo. Any comparisons based on actual usage?

Any thoughts would be much appreciated.

Also, Bongo (if you happen to read this), if I go with the Exar, when are you getting some in stock?

Thanks, DM
 
The differences between the Jacques and the Exar are:
--both pedals use the same BBD chip;
--the Exar is stereo, the Jacques is mono;
--the Exar LFO uses a sine wave, the Jacques uses a triangle wave;
--the Exar has a tone knob;
--the Exar depth control has a wider range than the Jacques;
--the Exar has true bypass, the Jacques has buffered bypass.

Other people here would be more qualified than me to compare against the Analogman or Diamond.

I'm the only Exar seller in the US (www.ovnifx.com and ovnifx on Ebay are both me) so it's all good. :p
 
Dang, that was fast! You are omnipresent on TB. Thanks for the clear comparison.

So, out of curiosity, what's the audible difference, if any, between a sine and triangle wave? (Please, no technical discussions necessary for my benefit since I won't understand.)
 
A triangle has a bit more "noticeable" effect than a sine. So the whoosh-whoosh of the Exar would be slightly more subtle or smooth. The flip side is that somebody who wanted a more dramatic sound effect would prefer the triangle. It's a very subtle distinction though, I'm not sure I could reliably pick which wave was which in a blind test.