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FAIL!! Schaller Strap Locks

By the way, GaryCorby, I am going to bed now. Probably won't respond to anymore posts tonight.

When you get a chance, I'd greatly appreciate you elaborating on the actual failure. For those of us thinking of using Schaller locks it would be very helpful.

Did the parts separate from the strap or the bass, or from each other? Did the screw come out of the end pin hole of the bass? Was anything that should be tight loose, resulting in the failure? Did you pull the spring-loaded lock pin and set the "U" solidly on the pin and then release the pin so it set correctly, giving it a tug to ensure it was secure? Did the spring-loaded portion of the lock just fail to work and the lock pin was free to slide out of the hole?

The Schaller is a clever design and in 38 years I have never seen an incident in person of them just failing to work the way they are designed. Not saying I doubt you, but I do appreciate you elaborating in detail on what you think happened. Some of us may learn something important.
 
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When you get a chance, I'd greatly appreciate you elaborating on the actual failure.

Okay so these are brand new strap locks. The "U" was not upside down. The nut must have come loose. I don't have pictures because I had to quickly put everything back together, re-tune and start playing.
Seems the nut and washer fell off.
 
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I've never had Schallers fail, but this happened to one of my Dunlops a couple of months ago:

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One of the ball bearings came out of the center pin, and now the pin is unable to lock into the strap button securely. The Dunlops don't have any other mechanism to protect against this failure mode, so if it happens and you don't notice it, your bass belongs to gravity. The bad thing is that it'll hold tight enough to support the weight of the strap as you pick the instrument up, but not tight enough to hold the weight of the instrument itself, so if you don't check before putting the strap on, you're likely in for a nasty surprise.
 
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I don't always use straplocks but when I do I use Schaller. Stay classy my friends.

Seriously though, I was introduced to schaller locks as OEM on my US J Plus when I got it new in 90~91. I've replaced the strap on that bass twice because they became worn and frayed along the edges, but I've never had a strap side nut work loose, a guitar side button come loose, or a strap side unit come apart. The original set of locks that came with my J Plus are still working just fine and that was my only bass for 17 years and got used almost every day during that time. Practice at home, rehearsal, and playing out almost every weekend for most of those years. I've also got a couple more basses set up with them and while they have only been around a few years, all my schaller straplocks have been set and forget. Once mounted they have never needed adjusting, retightening or anything beyond just clip them on and go. I do check them when I do an IRAN on any bass equipped with them, but so far (knock wood) it's been 25 years and multiple sets and not a single problem.

If you are having issues with things coming loose, why blame the object when it's you who are responsible for the proper assembly of an inanimate object, so if it fails it's because you failed to use it correctly. Yes Virginia, defective parts do occasionally happen, but that is a completely different kettle of fish from nuts just coming loose. Oh and BTW, I don't use any locking aid on the nuts, just good old proper assembly and adequate tightening.

A couple of things with schallers that could possible cause you problems are too small a hole in the strap tab and not enough torque on the nut when tightening.

I've never had a strap fit a schaller strap lock without opening the hole(s) in the strap tabs. Push the lock through the hole then take an exacto knife and run it around the base of the lock, cutting away the excess strap tab. The idea is you want a nice flat laying tab around the lock barrel, but you don't want to gouge the hole too large as you have little margin for error here. Once you get the tabs properly trimmed, line up the U sections so they are pointing up when the bass is strapped on. This usually won't be straight up in line with the center of the strap. Once you have that set right, get a pair of 6 or 8 inch channel locks, AKA water pump pliers, AKA Tennessee socket set, and adjust them so you can get a death grip on the U cradle without moving it around in the strap tab. Then, get a 4 to 6 inch adjustable wrench and tighten the chit out of the straplock strap tab retaining nut. If you use the short tools chances are good you won't be able to crush the U cradle or strip the retaining nut, but will still be able to develop enough leverage to get them tight enough to never need worry about them coming off. If it makes you feel better, or you don't trust your wrenching skills, employ some kind of thread locking product, or a drop of CA or nail polish after you've got the nut fully run down.

But please do us all a big favor, if you can't do the job right and it fails as a result, please quit blaming the product. Installed correctly they work without problems, and will do so for a very long time.
 
I think most strap lock systems are garbage. I've bent several screws and even broken a screw. I think the best options are leaving the factory buttons and either using the rubber washers or a locking strap (where the locking mechanism is in the strap)

So how does the factory screw break less easy than the straplock one? My Dunlop and Schaller straplocks seem to come with screws LARGER than factory. I had to drill the hole in the body slightly to put the screws in. This is the best fix for pull-outs rather then toothpicks and glue. In one case (straplock screw had bent) I installed an even LARGER screw (had to grind down the head) and it fixed it forever. Locking straps my be OK but it depends on the given strap and you are limited in choice of strap. As for beer washers, yeah, Drink beer, take the rubber washers, try to put them on your bass, but drop it because you are smashed. But luckily you don't care.
 
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I use these:

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They won't fit over some strap buttons though (G&L), in which case I use these:

Fender Strap Blocks (4-Pack) | Musician's Friend

I've used all the others, and excluded them over time for various reasons.

I have been looking into a better/simpler strap lock solution. The Schallers loosen over time and I have seen the Dunlops fail over time. Not complaining about either one. Mostly, I prefer to use the stock strap buttons and not unscrew them from vintage guitars.

I am going to experiment with a variation of this. I have had a similar idea but would rather use something other than a binder clip part: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRvcgLdPT0g

I am also going to give the Fender washers (actually ones similar from the hardware store) a shot. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-vpSzTnKPA

I have never seen the Planet Waves straps. I really like the look of these! The only drawback I see is that they only have 2” straps. I prefer a wider leather strap. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zITpo1w1HD8
 
So how does the factory screw break less easy than the straplock one? My Dunlop and Schaller straplocks seem to come with screws LARGER than factory. I had to drill the hole in the body slightly to put the screws in. This is the best fix for pull-outs rather then toothpicks and glue. In one case (straplock screw had bent) I installed an even LARGER screw (had to grind down the head) and it fixed it forever. Locking straps my be OK but it depends on the given strap and you are limited in choice of strap. As for beer washers, yeah, Drink beer, take the rubber washers, try to put them on your bass, but drop it because you are smashed. But luckily you don't care.

Couldn't tell you why because Ive never bent or broken the screw in worh factory buttons.
 
StayLow said it better than I could. I used them for awhile until I discovered plain old rubber washers work better. Like, way better. I had all the usual failures and dealt with them for years, until the night that the locking pin and its spring shot off into the darkness, forcing me into duct tape mode immediately before the first song. That was it. They are, to me, the answer to a question that nobody asked.

Rubber washers all the way. Added benefit? You can put your bass down or stand it against your cab without taking off the "lock" since it doesn't wobble as much and is much less likely to tip over and also put stress on the lock screw. Before I used rubber washers, it was a big inconvenience to keep locking and unlocking the body straplock each time you put your bass on and when you take it off. In the pic, the washer is around a Dunlop lock on a new bass I picked up and I think it fits better than most factory buttons.

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For what it's worth I had to just have Allparts exchange a nickle set to me. Reason was the threads were not enough to allow the nut to tighten. While doing a dry run you could see the nut was able to wobble on the threads. Upon speaking to customer service rep for RMA authorization he mentioned Shaller's tooling had been run too far and they were having issues with them. New parts received are just fine.
Since were on the opinion platform the reason I move toward Schaller was the cup scenario. I had a similar problem with the ball bearings not locking in place. Hen'ce the shift to Schaller.
 
I've never had Schallers fail, but this happened to one of my Dunlops a couple of months ago:

dunlop.jpg


One of the ball bearings came out of the center pin, and now the pin is unable to lock into the strap button securely. The Dunlops don't have any other mechanism to protect against this failure mode, so if it happens and you don't notice it, your bass belongs to gravity. The bad thing is that it'll hold tight enough to support the weight of the strap as you pick the instrument up, but not tight enough to hold the weight of the instrument itself, so if you don't check before putting the strap on, you're likely in for a nasty surprise.

Another first in 38 years for me.

I think the lessons of this thread are: Any strap lock system is only as good as the person who installs it, and you can't get a false sense of security and disregard routine maintenance and checking the integrity of the system. Every product has a failure rate; anticipate that it might be your set that fails and check before you connect.

I have been using both Schallers and Dunlops for decades on guitars and basses. I jump around on stage like a mad man, and when I'm playing guitar and keys I often sling my guitar around my back with headstock pointed toward the floor while I play keys. Gibson style guitars at that (with the vulnerable headstock angle). I've never had a failure, and I always check my locks. I have noticed the Schallers nut loosening up on occasion, and the Dunlops need to lubed once in awhile.

The one and only time I've ever lost a guitar was with a set of rubber washers (Grolsch). I have no idea how that happened. I still use them on Fender-style guitars. All in all, I'm certain beyond a shadow of a doubt that using strap lock systems and being diligent with installation and maintenance has been a smart move and saved me from many mishaps.
 
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As with anything and everything in life, there will be those that love it and those that hate it. I've been using Schallers faithfully since the early 80's. I'm firmly in the "love 'em" camp. In the time I've used them,
I've had two failures, one was the screw came out of the bass body (while on stage, just starting into a song), that was due more to the slightly larger screw that was used by the previous owner, a quick fix at
home the next day with some wood glue and new screw and all better. The other was just a nut that had loosened. I try to pay a little more attention to checking these things now, especially before a gig. Other
than that, no real issues and no dropped basses (minus one close call) to date. Nothing is perfect, there will always be a case of malfunction, it's inevitable. At the end of the day, it's all down to personal satisfaction.
 
I have never had a problem with any Schallers I have installed them on over 20 different basses. Yes the screw on the strap itself has loosened over time but I always go over my gear and have always tightened them before any problems have happened and it's pretty rare if sat all. All my gear I inspect deff before a gig so maintenance is a part of all my gear it's being responsible to me and the rest of my band.

Dunlops however I have had the little ball bearings wear over time and loose their grip and this is an equipment fail. This happened to at least three of the inset locks. No more Dunlop locks for me ever.

True though they squeak when you move around and that is annoying. I have even heard it through my amp at high volumes at practice. Is there something better than Schaller or Dunlop? I take the strap on and off no way would I leave it on my basses. The Ernie Ball one is huge in a bad way to me. HHhmmmm I need to look at this further.