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fEARful™ Part Eleven (11)

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The 12.6 isn't a real efficient cab but it will go deeper than most, if not all the 2x10's I've heard. It also has very smooth mids. The power handling is quite high as well. All that conspires to make the 12.6 deceptively loud if you have the power to drive it.

If you are working with say 500 watts, the 12.6 is going to put out more full range sound than the 2x10 is my guess. The 2x10 is going to run out of gass tryimg to keep up in the deep lows and upper mids. If you eq'd the deep lows out of the 2x10, you could get lot's more volume out of it at the cost of tone...

In 2x10's I am a fan of the Bag End d10xd' the deep one. Great cab with really large power handling. One of the best crossover /tweeters going as well... But I own the 12.6 and 12.sub... Which sort of sum's up my vote on 2x10 vs fEarful 12.6.
 
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rpsands said:
Barefaced. Also, the deltalite derivatives in berg, genz and mesa cabs will probably outperform a single 3012LF, even at max spl.
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And that's my point. Really at this time only one 'small' custom/boutique builder is using HO's in their 2x12s. But making an open ended statement about HO loaded cabs for many would suggest that they're abundant. As to what's in the Genz, Berg and Mesa, it's speculation...I'm sure they're not sharing their speaker specs and if so, whatever they quote may be taken with a certain skepticism.

I'm not saying that a fEARful 12/6 is a magic cab by any means (it has some very real world limits), but I don't want people to get the wrong impression either, and we KNOW that on TB this happens frequently and questionable knowledge spreads and gets twisted and multiplies exponentially. This is one of the reasons that GB isn't here anymore.
 
#647
Actually, Genz in particular has posted the TS calculated SPL numbers for the deltalite variant they use, and it is indeed an oem deltalite. I believe it's also been confirmed that Berg and Mesa use oem deltalites.

Sure, someone might read into my post about 3012HO's. Not my job to police what people read into stuff. People are more than capable of imagining ridiculous things without my help.
 
#649
It's going to depend on your perceptions and how much bass you want. Probably very similar in apparent volume if you like a smooth tone profile (mids relatively similar in output to bass/low mids).

If you're a very aggressive midrange guy and that's how you hear volume, the 2x10 would probably be louder.
 
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rpsands said:
It's going to depend on your perceptions and how much bass you want. Probably very similar in apparent volume if you like a smooth tone profile (mids relatively similar in output to bass/low mids).

If you're a very aggressive midrange guy and that's how you hear volume, the 2x10 would probably be louder.
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Ok thanks! That's what I needed to know. I think I'll go with the GK then.
 
#651
+1 For any somewhat meaningful comparison you have to maintain some sort of parity between options (one 12 versus another 12 or a 210 but not a 410 or 212) and consider other factors like tradeoffs between midrange sensitivity, power handling, and low end extension. IME the important question is can you get "your" sound consistently in different venues with enough headroom to cover the occasion? If you favor a particular kind of sound, have two very differently voiced cabs, and can't reconcile the differences with your amp and instrument then one will likely be unsuitable no matter what the specs.

One question about woods: Eurolite seems to be a good premium lightweight plywood for a 12mm build. The only downside is that being softer than birch or Arauco, you need a polyurea coating instead of Duratex if you don't want Tolex or rat fur. It's my understanding that polyurea is a professionally applied coating unlike Duratex which is easy for a DIY build. Oukume falls between Arauco and Poplar in weight but is harder than Poplar. It's used in marine applications and might be okay with Duratex. SWR uses it in their Golight series. Would 12mm Oukume be another viable choice for a fEarful build?

12mm ply__ lbs/ft2 Relative
Baltic Birch_ 1.752 100.00%
Arauco_____1.354 77.38%
Oukume____ 1.167 66.67%
Falcatta____ 1.028 58.75%
Italian Poplar 1.000 57.14%
 
#654
Well, I've been thinking about a 12/6 and a 15/6 (eventually) for about a month now. In that time I've read/skimmed the first 6 threads when I have time between homework. Now that I am done with school (and getting a paycheck bump), I am going to finish up my research and get started. I might have to buy a new amp too because mine craped out on Tuesday at rehearsal. Anyway, My plan is to start with a 12/6 now and build a 15/6 later so I have something to look forward to after I build the first beast. I know the best form factor is a 12/6 cube w/ a 15/6 for looks but I almost want to do a regular 12/6 so it is more usable by itself (because its taller?) My question is (rambling aside): Will I notice a difference sound wise on stage with the cube by itself v.s. a regular 12/6? or did I just make that up? I don't think the looks would bother me too much otherwise.
 
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4Mal said:
The 12.6 isn't a real efficient cab but it will go deeper than most, if not all the 2x10's I've heard. It also has very smooth mids. The power handling is quite high as well. All that conspires to make the 12.6 deceptively loud if you have the power to drive it.

If you are working with say 500 watts, the 12.6 is going to put out more full range sound than the 2x10 is my guess. The 2x10 is going to run out of gass tryimg to keep up in the deep lows and upper mids. If you eq'd the deep lows out of the 2x10, you could get lot's more volume out of it at the cost of tone...
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I would be inclined to think in the other direction. Instead of a questioning sensitivity, how much can you do with a particular amp and the two cabinets? Adding in wattage-intensive lowend with the 2x10 isn't just taxing on the speakers, but makes the amp run out of steam. If you go the other direction, the 12/6 needs a lot less from the amp down low where volume costs the most, and allows the amp additional headroom with the master volume before you're pushing it too hard.
 
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Derek Kiernan said:
I would be inclined to think in the other direction. Instead of a questioning sensitivity, how much can you do with a particular amp and the two cabinets? Adding in wattage-intensive lowend with the 2x10 isn't just taxing on the speakers, but makes the amp run out of steam. If you go the other direction, the 12/6 needs a lot less from the amp down low where volume costs the most, and allows the amp additional headroom with the master volume before you're pushing it too hard.
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+1

The efficiency difference isn't that great, but the frequency response and power handling are very impressive with the 3012.

Assuming you have 500 watts or more available, the 12/6 should play louder with less strain because it can use all or most of that, whereas you'll be exceeding the mechanical and thermal limits of a typical 2*10 after EQ'ing it to sound like a 12/6.
 
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