• TalkBass has been independent since 1998. Add your voice.
    Create a free account to reply to discussions, view embedded media, and browse with fewer display ads.
    Join free Log in
    Want zero display ads or expanded classifieds tools? Compare plans.

fEARful part 13: the bad luck's done, son

Status
Not open for further replies.
#463
smeet said:
I didn't mean the soft "loop" handles, I meant these: [Invalid or Expired Link Removed]
And I was thinking one on each side, not one on the top. Is that what you were voting against?

I don't think I would try a one-handed carry too often, just because the depth of the cab would make it hit me in the side of the leg, or I would have to try to hold it away from my leg which is hard on the shoulder. But it's hard to say what it would feel like before I try it on the actual cab.

Those look interesting, but are they well made and would they rattle?

With all of these surface-mount handles, they are just held in by a few wood screws. Is that secure, or will it eventually start to chew through the wood?
Click to expand...
Smeet, did you ever get your handle situation figured out? I ask because my 12/6 has the exact style of handle you want. Its a heavy duty strap type that is placed on either side of the cab. The cab is heavy at over 60LBS but these type strap handles work well and handle the weight without issue. I am not sure of the name of the handle, but if Passinwind reads this, perhaps he can help since he built my cab.
 
#466
dug dog said:
She's a beaut, for sure.

Can you please give a few more details about how you did the grille frame, Gizman?
Click to expand...

Actually, the grill for that is a tropical hardwood... Can't say the exact species (sorry), since it was actually from some offcuts (too small for furniture, but perfect for grills). Why did I use it? Because it is strong like iron! The 1212 is a TALL cabinet, and with that much tension side-to-side, I wanted the stiles to be as rigid as possible, without requiring cross-braces. The hardwood does it nicely!

The wood was dark brown, but had yellow sawdust (no, not yellowheart).

To keep the frame from showing when the 1212/6 was in use, I put a 1/8" roundover on the outside edge, and an offset 1/2" roundover on the inside edge. Sorry if that doesn't make sense... but it just means the inside edges are inset compared to the outside edges of the frame.

Dekker
 
#467
I have GAS for two affordable lightweight stackable 115’s loaded with a Eminence 3015lf drivers (no mid drivers, tweeter, or crossover). So I’m on the hunt and checking out pro speakers as well as some of the DIY type speakers. I was reading about the fEARful 15sub and have a couple questions.

How come the enclosure for the fEARful 15sub, 15/6, and 15/6/1 are all the same size enclosure - doesn’t the inside acoustics change when you subdivide the box inside to add a mid diver and tweeter? Also what are the fEARful 15sub specifications?

Thanks.
 
#468
Joe Louvar said:
How come the enclosure for the fEARful 15sub, 15/6, and 15/6/1 are all the same size enclosure - doesn’t the inside acoustics change when you subdivide the box inside to add a mid diver and tweeter?
Click to expand...

The 15/6 and 15/6/1 are the same box, because adding the tweeter is almost a zero change in internal volume.

The 15Sub actually has different dimensions than the 15/6.

Joe Louvar said:
Also what are the fEARful 15sub specifications?
Click to expand...

The 15Sub and 12Sub are really intended to be paired with at least one cabinet with a midrange. The fEARful boxes have a woofer crossover at 800Hz, which means without a midrange it might sound a bit anaemic. Other manufacturer's cabinets with just a 15 are using a more full-range driver, but they lose low-end response.

Instead of looking for a 15Sub to run alone, I'd recommend using some sort of equalization to dial in your sound, before it gets to the speakers. That way, the sound you get from your fEARful will be exactly the same sound that will be sent to the front-of-house/PA system. Then you can use the normal fEARful cabinet design with midrange.

Dekker
 
#469
The mid driver takes up like a liter or something. Very small.

I use a fEarful sub in my PA--it weighs about 40lbs and I can shlep it 1 handed very easily. Quite a bit lighter than my 15/6.
 
#470
The 15sub could be built sans crossover, but you would be dealing with a real nasty spike right about 1k-1.5k. Again a good reason to just build the 15/6.. The subs were meant to be paired w/a midrange-equipped cab, they were designed to be a plug-in add in.. All of the fEARful enclosures are tuned identically, GB does show a port shelf mod which adds a bit of low end at the expense of some low mid, you'd have to see it on his site
 
#471
Thank you for the information it’s good to know the 15sub and 15/6 cabs are not the same size because that makes sense. Oh, and I don’t want a 12/6, 15/6 or etc - I want two 8ohm 115’s loaded with 3015lf’s and the reason why I’m looking at DIY 115’s instead of a 215 is because of lifting weight, haul space, etc. And I’m using this for bass guitar rig, not a PA.

Do the fEARful15sub’s stack well (lock and drivers less than 24" apart when stacked, etc) and what are the 15sub specifications?

For example -

Dimensions: 25.5" high x 19.5" wide x 13.5" deep
Weight: 27 lbs
BROAD-band Sensitivity: 100dB
USABLE Frequency RANGE: 37Hz - 4kHz
Recommended Amp Power: 150 - 600W RMS
Max Continuous broadband SPL: 127dB
Impedance: 8 ohms
 
#473
::::BASSIST:::: said:
Smeet, did you ever get your handle situation figured out? I ask because my 12/6 has the exact style of handle you want. Its a heavy duty strap type that is placed on either side of the cab. The cab is heavy at over 60LBS but these type strap handles work well and handle the weight without issue. I am not sure of the name of the handle, but if Passinwind reads this, perhaps he can help since he built my cab.
Click to expand...

No, I haven't yet settled on a handle. I'm a slow-moving chicken, since it's my first build. Of anything really. :)
::::BASSIST::::, are your handles significantly different from the two suggestions, [Invalid or Expired Link Removed] or Invalid Link Removed? Is one as good as another? Or is there a good reason to go with the spring loaded handles instead? Maybe I'll send Passinwind a PM.

Also I'm still trying to decide if I want to do a 15/6 or 15/6/1. I have pretty much decided I probably don't need a tweeter for my normal bass playing, but maybe it would be nice since this design is different than the usual woofer+tweeter. With the crossover design on speakerhardware, can I turn the tweeter all the way off without harming it? At that point does it sound the same as a 15/6, or is the high end now different?
 
#475
smeet said:
No, I haven't yet settled on a handle. I'm a slow-moving chicken, since it's my first build. Of anything really. :)
::::BASSIST::::, are your handles significantly different from the two suggestions, [Invalid or Expired Link Removed] or Invalid Link Removed? Is one as good as another? Or is there a good reason to go with the spring loaded handles instead? Maybe I'll send Passinwind a PM.

Also I'm still trying to decide if I want to do a 15/6 or 15/6/1. I have pretty much decided I probably don't need a tweeter for my normal bass playing, but maybe it would be nice since this design is different than the usual woofer+tweeter. With the crossover design on speakerhardware, can I turn the tweeter all the way off without harming it? At that point does it sound the same as a 15/6, or is the high end now different?
Click to expand...
I am pretty certain mine is close to the second one: Invalid Link Removed

And yes, I think it would make a difference. At least enough to not take a chance on it. I have no fear of failure on my straps as they feel good and beefy. Plus there is no vibration at all. If I were to build a new 15/6 its what I would use.

As far as the tweeter its better to have it built in the first place than add it later. That said, my 15/6 puts out a ton of high end and for bass guitar I'd never need the tweeter.
 
#476
Got the AoN 15/6/1 out to rehearsal on Friday night.
Holy crap! What a sound. I finally have the low end cushion I've always wanted. The drummer commented that it's the first time he's ever really felt the bass (sound familiar?) and the rest of the band said likewise. I added about 3dB of boost around 100Hz for some mid bass and notched out some of the gank at 1k on the iAmp to suit my taste. No effects, no compression, no drastic eq - I just went P bass > cable > iAmp > fEARful. No bass in the PA, FWIW. It was glorious.

Of note was how the low end never got in the way of the kick drum, which we boost at 50Hz for some thump. The bass blended perfectly with the subwoofers but still remained present and clear.

Mid and high end dispersion was really even (go figure;)) no matter where I stood in the room.

Overall, it was a delight to play through the cab for all involved. So much for this being my "backup." Anyone want to buy my Aggie 212? :D

Going to have Larry at LeCover make me a padded poly cover and I'll be gig ready.

Thank you to Greenboy for his design and thanks to Robby H for building this cab.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Latest posts

Top Bottom
Back