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Fender decals on not-really-Fender basses

#261
scotch said:
Maybe this example illustrates my point best (and is true to boot):

I have developed a couple of bass guitar hardware ideas that I think are marketable. The ideas are fairly easy to manufacture & not expensive. I have considered patenting them & pursuing production and marketing.

The biggest thing stopping me, honestly, is the exact "who cares" attitude expressed in this very thread! The ideas I have are easily copy-able and there's nothing stopping folks (particularly the successful Chinese knock-off industry) from copying my designs and even copying any branding that I develop. I'd end up spending more resources defending patents and trademarks than actually making things! (check out the youtube clip of Jerzy Drozd coming across a NAMM booth full of Drozd Chinese knock-offs!)

This is, of course, nothing new in design. But the overwhelmingly ubiquitous "who cares" attitude by communities like talkbass regarding any respect for intellectual property - coupled with the internet age where anybody can sell anything at any time with little to no accountability - makes such a venture entirely unattractive to me.
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Oh puleeze... comparing the Chinese fake industry to an individual putting a 'Fender' logo on his Squier is quite the stretch. And then to claim that you have patentable ideas that somehow you don't want to put out there because of Fender logos on non-Fender basses. :hmm:
C'mon guys try to stay on this planet if you're going to post in this thread rather than keep coming up with ridiculous fantasy scenarios... :rollno:
 
#262
pineapplerobot said:
If it is simply a case of being self-conscious then they need to just grow a pair. It's dumb to do it due to fear of getting made fun of.
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Agreed. If you play a Squier/SX/Allparts bass, man up and enjoy what you've got. Don't cry widdle tiny tears because someone might think you're a schmoe. You're only a schmoe if you put a counterfeit Fender decal on your bass.
 
#263
I play old Peavey's, so I don't have a dog in this hunt in the slightest, just curiosity... But I do have a question that I really, honestly would like an answer to from some of the folks that feel it's wrong to change the label.

Though I'm not a car buff, I enjoy watching the Mecum auto auctions on TV. Several times in every show there'll be a car that comes up that was built as one thing, but becuase of the the body style, it has been redone, and re-badged, as something much cooler/collectible. In these cases, the "reporduction" is praised for how well it was dons, the attention to detail, etc... and there is never any condemnation of the process. It seems to be accepted, and no one has an issue.

My question would to anyone that feels the decal change is wrong would be how would feel about the cars that are "re-badged"? Full diclosure is made at sale, so there's no confusion. Also, any thoughts as to why it seems to be an accepted practice in some arenas, but not in others?

Again, just curious.
 
#265
scotch said:
Maybe this example illustrates my point best (and is true to boot):

I have developed a couple of bass guitar hardware ideas that I think are marketable. The ideas are fairly easy to manufacture & not expensive. I have considered patenting them & pursuing production and marketing.

The biggest thing stopping me, honestly, is the exact "who cares" attitude expressed in this very thread! The ideas I have are easily copy-able and there's nothing stopping folks (particularly the successful Chinese knock-off industry) from copying my designs and even copying any branding that I develop. I'd end up spending more resources defending patents and trademarks than actually making things! (check out the youtube clip of Jerzy Drozd coming across a NAMM booth full of Drozd Chinese knock-offs!)

This is, of course, nothing new in design. But the overwhelmingly ubiquitous "who cares" attitude by communities like talkbass regarding any respect for intellectual property - coupled with the internet age where anybody can sell anything at any time with little to no accountability - makes such a venture entirely unattractive to me.
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No worries, there'll be 300 others right inline behind you ready to rake in the dough while you sit at home wandering what you could'a been.
I'd suggest, if you have good marketable ideas start from the ground and work your way up the ladder, just like EVERYONE else has ever done in business.
Or just sit around upset about internet forum opinions and actions and do nothing. Your call, but I think your being a bit ridiculous. No offense intended of coarse :):smug: happy faces and smileys and all.
 
#266
MakoMan said:
Oh puleeze... comparing the Chinese fake industry to an individual putting a 'Fender' logo on his Squier is quite the stretch. And then to claim that you have patentable ideas that somehow you don't want to put out there because of Fender logos on non-Fender basses. :hmm:
C'mon guys try to stay on this planet if you're going to post in this thread rather than keep coming up with ridiculous fantasy scenarios... :rollno:
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?

The point was to illustrate intellectual property value. I think you missed it.
 
#267
1SHOT1HIT said:
No worries, there'll be 300 others right inline behind you ready to rake in the dough while you sit at home wandering what you could'a been.
I'd suggest, if you have good marketable ideas start from the ground and work your way up the ladder, just like EVERYONE else has ever done in business.
Or just sit around upset about internet forum opinions and actions and do nothing. Your call, but I think your being a bit ridiculous. No offense intended of coarse :):smug: happy faces and smileys and all.
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Sigh,... Again, the point was to illustrate intellectual property value.
 
#268
Bassguy61 said:
I play old Peavey's, so I don't have a dog in this hunt in the slightest, just curiosity... But I do have a question that I really, honestly would like an answer to from some of the folks that feel it's wrong to change the label.

Though I'm not a car buff, I enjoy watching the Mecum auto auctions on TV. Several times in every show there'll be a car that comes up that was built as one thing, but becuase of the the body style, it has been redone, and re-badged, as something much cooler/collectible. In these cases, the "reporduction" is praised for how well it was dons, the attention to detail, etc... and there is never any condemnation of the process. It seems to be accepted, and no one has an issue.

My question would to anyone that feels the decal change is wrong would be how would feel about the cars that are "re-badged"? Full diclosure is made at sale, so there's no confusion. Also, any thoughts as to why it seems to be an accepted practice in some arenas, but not in others?

Again, just curious.
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A rebadged or replicated car is still titled as what it was and would not be worth as much as what it copies in similar condition. You have paperwork with cars, rarely with guitars.
 
#270
I think it's wrong to put a Fender logo on anything that is not a Fender. You can mess with the rest of it, but not the logo put there by the factory. It'd be like putting a Harley-Davidson logo on a Honda just because it looks like one.

My opinion.
 
#271
Bassguy61 said:
I play old Peavey's, so I don't have a dog in this hunt in the slightest, just curiosity... But I do have a question that I really, honestly would like an answer to from some of the folks that feel it's wrong to change the label.

Though I'm not a car buff, I enjoy watching the Mecum auto auctions on TV. Several times in every show there'll be a car that comes up that was built as one thing, but becuase of the the body style, it has been redone, and re-badged, as something much cooler/collectible. In these cases, the "reporduction" is praised for how well it was dons, the attention to detail, etc... and there is never any condemnation of the process. It seems to be accepted, and no one has an issue.

My question would to anyone that feels the decal change is wrong would be how would feel about the cars that are "re-badged"? Full diclosure is made at sale, so there's no confusion. Also, any thoughts as to why it seems to be an accepted practice in some arenas, but not in others?

Again, just curious.
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Lol, you BETTER believe, there's some car forum out there, full of self assertive, opinionated, self righteous, members finger pointing, the crap outta those guys too. :D

Everyone has an opinion, and a right to it, but it takes a special type of :rolleyes: to incessantly try to assert theirs on others who clearly have a differing view.

Nothing new at all.
 
#273
ModulusQ5-122 said:
That may be the case but that says nothing about the integrity and honesty of the one who originally applied it. If he/she was honest about what they were selling, once it's sold, that person can do whatever they want with it.
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Something that keeps getting missed...the person who creates the fake swears up and down that they'll be honest about it when they sell the instrument. BUT.......

...isn't it thoughtful of them to create a fake that makes it so easy for the next owner to cheat a buyer?????

...WHY don't they feel any responsibility to future buyers? Do they make a habit of setting up others to cheat people?

I do not, and never will, see how that is a responsible or defensible position. The fake is created for no other reason than ego. Labeling a bass as something that it is not is creating a fraud.
 
#274
I bought a Squier '51 P bass from a fellow TBer who replaced the neck and put on a Fender water slide decal. I couldn't be arsed to change it and no one who's seen it has said anything yet. The bass is as it came to me and on the list of things I need to worry about it's somewhere off the page.
 
#279
smcd said:
It is not reasonalbe, nor does anyone expect you to remove the Fender decal from your neck because it's on a non-Fender body. NOBODY does that, nor should they.

But that isn't what this issue is about. It's about people putting counterfeit Fender decals on their non-Fender basses to make themselves feel less self conscious about what instrument they're playing.
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Ok, but then is not my MIM Jazz still a Fender? If not, is it the neck that determines that factor??? BTW, a Fender rep has seen said bass and didn't seem to have an issue with it...... :cool:
 

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