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Fender decals on not-really-Fender basses

#282
Bassguy61 said:
I play old Peavey's, so I don't have a dog in this hunt in the slightest, just curiosity... But I do have a question that I really, honestly would like an answer to from some of the folks that feel it's wrong to change the label.

Though I'm not a car buff, I enjoy watching the Mecum auto auctions on TV. Several times in every show there'll be a car that comes up that was built as one thing, but becuase of the the body style, it has been redone, and re-badged, as something much cooler/collectible. In these cases, the "reporduction" is praised for how well it was dons, the attention to detail, etc... and there is never any condemnation of the process. It seems to be accepted, and no one has an issue.

My question would to anyone that feels the decal change is wrong would be how would feel about the cars that are "re-badged"? Full diclosure is made at sale, so there's no confusion. Also, any thoughts as to why it seems to be an accepted practice in some arenas, but not in others?

Again, just curious.
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I play old Peavey's and I like the Mecum auction program too. The car equivalent of what the counterfeit decal people are doing here would be if some guy took a stock '76 Ford Granada, swapped the Ford badges for Mercedes badges, and then tried to pass it off as a Mercedes. I've never seen that happen on Mecum, and if it did, I'd expect the commentators to rip those involved a new exit orifice.
 
#284
to me bottom line is its just cheaper for some to buy a waterslide decal and slap it on their squier, to make others think they own a Fender, then go into some "squiers are as good as Fenders" thread and bash the very existance they just entered themselves into...a posers a poser and a fake is a fake!
 
#285
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#286
Putting a Fender logo on a Squier headstock is counterfeiting. Producing a unauthorized logo/decal is counterfeiting. Selling a counterfeit can get you in some serious trouble. Chances are you will never be caught, but it could be cheaper in the long run to just buy a Fender if that's what you must be seen with.
 
#288
I would for once in one of these ridiculous threads love for someone to explain how putting a Fender decal on Squier guitar is making it fake?


Squier is Fender, Fender is Squier, this whole thing makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

Fender has their name on EVERY Squier right from the factory.

Squier is a series offered by FENDER.
 
#289
1SHOT1HIT said:
I would for once in one of these ridiculous threads love for someone to explain how putting a Fender decal on Squier guitar is making it fake?


Squier is Fender, Fender is Squier, this whole thing makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

Fender has their name on EVERY Squier right from the factory.

Squier is a series offered by FENDER.
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Fender and Squier are both FMIC products. Fender =/= Squier. It's like taking an Old Navy sweatshirt and putting a Gap logo on it. Both are produced by the same parent company but they are not the same.
 
#290
cybersnyder said:
Fender and Squier are both FMIC products. Fender =/= Squier. It's like taking an Old Navy sweatshirt and putting a Gap logo on it. Both are produced by the same parent company but they are not the same.
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Does old navy put their name on gap clothes?

Because Fender surely puts their name on Squire guitars.
 
#291
1SHOT1HIT said:
I would for once in one of these ridiculous threads love for someone to explain how putting a Fender decal on Squier guitar is making it fake?


Squier is Fender, Fender is Squier, this whole thing makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

Fender has their name on EVERY Squier right from the factory.

Squier is a series offered by FENDER.
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This ^^ is NOT a Fender logo. It's a Squier logo. Squier is OWNED by Fender as a budget line. A Squier bass has a SQUIER logo because it's a SQUIER bass, NOT a Fender. Just because the Fender brand appears as a subtext does not mean this is a Fender bass. If it were a Fender bass, it would have a Fender logo!!!




Christ... what is so difficult to understand about that????????
 
#292
Personally, I don't have me a fake poser bass (YET) but I'm not really seeing the big deal, especially on the Squiers.

I guess I cant really argue with the legalities of a random build getting a decal that has absolutely no connection to Fender.
Squire does though, so is it anything more than really just accentuating the Fender name?

I think if we're gonna use an accurate analogy.

Maybe itd be like putting a Chevy sticker on a GMC truck.

Or a Ford sticker on a Lincoln or mercury.
 
#293
1SHOT1HIT said:
I would for once in one of these ridiculous threads love for someone to explain how putting a Fender decal on Squier guitar is making it fake?


Squier is Fender, Fender is Squier, this whole thing makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

Fender has their name on EVERY Squier right from the factory.

Squier is a series offered by FENDER.
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If Fender wanted them to be called "Fender", they would not put Squier on them. If you put "Fender" where they put Squier, you made a fake. It doesn't have to make sense to you; it's not your product.
You sound as if you believe that only Squiers get the fake "Fender" treatment.
 
#294
smcd said:
This ^^ is NOT a Fender logo. It's a Squier logo. Squier is OWNED by Fender as a budget line. A Squier bass has a SQUIER logo because it's a SQUIER bass, NOT a Fender. Just because the Fender brand appears as a subtext does not mean this is a Fender bass. If it were a Fender bass, it would have a Fender logo!!!

Christ... what is so difficult to understand about that????????
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Settle down Francis, :-) I believe that's one of your lines, lol

I understand just fine. You can argue all you want about it but at the end of the day Fender owns Squire so Squier is Fender.

Round and round we go, but Fender and I agree on this 100% that's why they apply their name to it and collect a fat check from its proceeds.
 
#295
1SHOT1HIT said:
Does old navy put their name on gap clothes?

Because Fender surely puts their name on Squire guitars.
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They say "Squier by Fender". "Fender" is in much smaller print. Maybe a better example would be "GAP Outlet" and "GAP". "GAP Outlet" definitely says "GAP", but it's a lesser quality, lower priced brand targeted at people that don't want to pay GAP prices but still want the look.
 
#296
Turock said:
If Fender wanted them to be called "Fender", they would not put Squier on them. If you put "Fender" where they put Squier, you made a fake. It doesn't have to make sense to you; it's not your product.
You sound as if you believe that only Squiers get the fake "Fender" treatment.
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And I'm not arguing about a random build simply Squier's I agree there's grounds for legal trouble with anything else.
 
#297
cybersnyder said:
They say "Squier by Fender". "Fender" is in much smaller print. Maybe a better example would be "GAP Outlet" and "GAP". "GAP Outlet" definitely says "GAP", but it's a lesser quality, lower priced brand targeted at people that don't want to pay GAP prices but still want the look.
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Touche
 
#300
Here's a question for you guys against it.

I'm currently refinishing a Squier, really not sure what's going on it.

Let's say this was you, you hate a blank headstock you feel ridiculous using your own name and just wrong putting Squier back on as their work is no longer represented.

What do you put there? Honest question cause I really don't have a clue yet.
 

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