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Fender pre-CBS Club: pics mandatory!

Alright pre cbs guys. Just seen this new post. I'm not the one to be asking about all the details but I know you here will be able to hit me with the yeahs and no's. As far as what's right or not with it. I know I've never seen knobs like this for starters and the dots don't seem right either.
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Alright pre cbs guys. Just seen this new post. I'm not the one to be asking about all the details but I know you here will be able to hit me with the yeahs and no's. As far as what's right or not with it. I know I've never seen knobs like this for starters and the dots don't seem right either.
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It says "All original, never restored" but that's not correct. The knobs and pickguard are clearly not original. The decal appears correct (it's the transition logo that started in 1964) so the neck and tuners might be original. The body color I'm not confident based on the pics, $3,500 is potentially a good price for a refin '64 but it depends how much has really been replaced. I'd want to inspect it first.
 
Hard to tell from the photo, but the dots don't look like they are clay. They might have switched around '64 though (need the Fender experts to weigh in) so the neck may still be legit.
That's definitely one you'd want to take apart to verify neck stamp, pickups and pots, especially given the red flags already raised by Mastermold.
That and the fact the seller can't spell "Fender". :rollno:
 
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Pearl dots start roughly halfway through '64. My '64 P has pearl dots and clay side markers.
The outdoor pics of the colour look more like proper candy apple red. The guard is either wrong or it's been spray painted black. Knobs are wrong, otherwise looks pretty OK to me - I'd go look at it.
 
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The bass being sold as a '64 has more wrong than right. You mean to tell me that a bass that was played enough to have that much heavy belt buckle wear has no gouges in the wood, and minimal thumb wear on the back of the neck? Come on.

The one blurry pic of the bass being sold as a '63 makes the hair on the back of my neck stand up in a bad way.
 
The bass being sold as a '64 has more wrong than right. You mean to tell me that a bass that was played enough to have that much heavy belt buckle wear has no gouges in the wood, and minimal thumb wear on the back of the neck? Come on.

The one blurry pic of the bass being sold as a '63 makes the hair on the back of my neck stand up in a bad way.
A big enough buckle, combined with hand that don't sweat that much (or low acidic sweat) would make since. If I really tried, I could get that buckle rash in a week, it would take years for anything else to wear though.

For the '63, I've never seen a sunburst pre-CBS P with a white (this one is strikingly white) guard throughout my internet travels. The "cash only" scares me more than anything though. Especially for an instrument of this vintage and value.

EDIT: Here's the only one I can find, and even though it's a burst, it's still a custom colour. So yes and no: Invalid Link Removed

I've really learned a lot about Pre-CBS basses from this thread, so keep the info and pics coming, they don't go unappreciated!
 
Cripula,
That 1960 P is lovely. My dad owned one and traded it back the following year towards his Jazz. He's told me repeatedly that he wished he'd kept it AND picked up the Jazz. But he then says (jokingly) "I didn't know I could have more than one bass!"


And this is why Talkbass exists, so we dont regret the basses we dont buy and always know we can have one more bass. Thank you for the reassurance :D