Yikes. My county has just issued a shelter-in-place order through April 7 for all residents. Only "essential" travel is permitted for the next three weeks. Well, it'll just be home-alone Rumblin' for me.
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Well, jd, you came to the right place!
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Wow! Pretty substantial stage monitor for everything going thru the PA! But, I understand completely. My modern country band has the same setup, and the Rumble 500 combo alone was always enough for me.
Do I understand correctly that you run just one Headliner 410 cab with the Headliner 1000 amp? If I'm seeing the correct specs for your rig you could be putting up to 700W into a 400W rated cab? You must not need to turn up the volume very far, right?
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First, always remember that the terms "better" and "best" are very subjective and, therefore, are interpreted differently by different people. In music, always let your own ears guide you toward your interpretation of "better" and "best".
Other things being equal (but when does that really happen?), the 2x210 stack gives a bit better dispersion, which your audience doesn't need, and gets speakers closer to your ears, which you do need, better than the single 410 cab. [Assumes two 8 ohm 210 cabs & one 4 ohm 410 cab to get equal amp power.]
The 210 combo on top of the 410 cab gets speakers closer to your earsand adds more Sound Pressure Level (SPL) around your ankles
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Now, with the Rumble 800 HD, you're talkin' cab options galore, jd! Being 2 ohm stable, you can run anything from one, two, three, or up to four 8 ohm cabs!
And all the Rumble cabs are designed to work well together, so mixing and matching them to your heart's content gives a win-win any way you go. But, I wouldn't recommend the 115 as a single cab for either the 500 or 800 heads without some serious downturn on the Master, since it's the lowest rated at 300W! But, as I've already mentioned, jd, you must be familiar with this situation, running a 400W cab with a 700W amp. However, in combination with other Rumble cabs, the 115 is terrific! So, pick your favorites and go for it.
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I think that comes from the basic amplification concept that to double the volume takes 10 times the power. So, of course, in that context, it doesn't seem like a big difference. But, once again, letting your own ears be your guide may give a different perspective on what is, or is not, "considerable". Or, just having powerful specs, even if you never max them, gives considerable headroom.
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Actually, the Rumble 500 can do up to 350W at 8 ohms, or 70% of full power at 4 ohms, while the Rumble 800 can do up to 400W at 8 ohms, or 50% of full power at 4 or 2 ohms. It may seem strange, but it's true.
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Yes, the 500 combo is a very light and convenient one-hand-carry package for load-in/load-out. That's what I use in my loud country band, raised on a stand, tilted back to "aim" toward my ears, it worked quite well by itself! The few times I added an extension cab it was overkill and I could have easily done without it, but it looked killer!
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Yes, an excellent "starter" path. Next step, if you choose to continue, would be to add a lightweight Rumble 210 cab to be used either with, or without, the heavy Headliner cab as you see fit. Just continue your already judicious low volume settings when using both cabs, since they are each rated 400W and could each see 500W at max!
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Yes, indeed, Thundar! And the Rumble Club Wiki page, linked in my signature, is a good place to do that. See the Rumble Talks section there.
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Excellent point, davey! The Rumble 800 HD can, indeed, run two 4ohm cabs, or a 4ohm and 1or2 8ohm cabs, or four 8 ohm cabs! It's really quite versatile.
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Yes, jd. Yes, it is.
Please keep us posted on your Rumble Quest. And, should you get a Rumble please show us a poc and join The Club!
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Yes, it's a lot of sound but but it's mostly for our BL, he really wants to hear the bass, I'd be good with smaller and tilted to where I can hear it. I have a full 350 watt Hartke that I was maxing out and he would still complain about volume, though I could hear it fine. It was a little underpowered compared yo what I heard from the Rumble 500, though they both put out 350 watts.
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It's actually an 800 watt Headliner cab. I think there's a 400 watt headliner cab, but this one is 800.
I bought two of them to be able to get loud enough on big stage, but 95% of the time I only use one. I made sure it could handle it because I knew I didn't want to drag a stack around all the time.
It all sounds real good. These cabs are much lighter than what I'm lugging now, so I wouldn't mind some stacking.
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Every time I've played through a Rumble Ive really like it.
I think I want the 500, I can get it and if it's all I need, great, if the BL says anything else about not hearing it, I can get an extension cab.
Thank you so much for all of this great information!
Oh, I see. Hope you're wearing your earplugs!
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Hmmm, well, I think there is only one Headliner cab rated 400W RMS, 800W program, and 1600W peak. Such multiple ratings are very common. And, unfortunately, sales departments do like to promote the bigger numbers and "let the buyer beware". But it's important for us to match the rating systems on cabs & amps. From the spec sheet:
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I certainly agree with you there. The tones, lightweight and convenience of the Rumble 500 combo really is a joy. Sounds like a plan.
Show us a pic, whatever Rumble you get!
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Attention: Rumble Club Wiki Edit Alert!
"Fender Announces the New Fender TONE 3.0 App Firmware Update" has been linked on the Rumble Club Wiki page in the Fender TONE APP SUPPORT section. It's a native part of the new Mustang GTX amp series announced at Winter NAMM 2020, but it will be downloadable for the Mustang GT series and the Rumble Stage & Studio, currently expected around the end of March.
Here's hoping it's an exciting upgrade for our Rumble Stage & Studio owners!
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Attention: Rumble Club Wiki Edit Alert!
"Fender Announces the New Fender TONE 3.0 App Firmware Update" has been linked on the Rumble Club Wiki page in the Fender TONE APP SUPPORT section. It's a native part of the new Mustang GTX amp series announced at Winter NAMM 2020, but it will be downloadable for the Mustang GT series and the Rumble Stage & Studio, currently expected around the end of March.
Here's hoping it's an exciting upgrade for our Rumble Stage & Studio owners!
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My wife actually enjoys hearing me practice. She fusses if I don’t leave the door open to the Room of Requirement while playing. So I have yet to try the headphone out.
My wife lives 140 miles away. She could care less.
Oh, I see. Hope you're wearing your earplugs!
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Hmmm, well, I think there is only one Headliner cab rated 400W RMS, 800W program, and 1600W peak. Such multiple ratings are very common. And, unfortunately, sales departments do like to promote the bigger numbers and "let the buyer beware". But it's important for us to match the rating systems on cabs & amps. From the spec sheet:
And I think that the Headliner amp manual means it can output up to 700W RMS at 8 ohms or 1000W RMS at 4 ohms:
But, if your 350W Hartke was enough for you, then running one Headliner cab "around" 400W RMS (volume maybe halfway-ish?) may have been plenty for your BL. Either that, or you've been lucky, so far. But, yeah, two cabs running up to 800W (volume maybe 3/4-ish, or less?) should really be puh-lenty!
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I certainly agree with you there. The tones, lightweight and convenience of the Rumble 500 combo really is a joy. Sounds like a plan.
Show us a pic, whatever Rumble you get!
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Yes, I always use plugs, lol!
Thank you for the good advice!
Got a question about overdrive light flickers when powering up,on my Rumble 500? Have the gain,at 12 and master volume at 3. Should I turn the overdrive off,before powering up? Setting in the picture are not mine.
Mine does that too. I don’t think it matters.
The Rumble 500 alone is plenty loud - one of my bands recently did a gig with two other bands, both of them with loud drummers and two guitarists. Both bass players used my Rumble 500c, as there was no backline. The Rumble covered everything with the master volume at 12 o’clock without breaking a sweat. A Rumble 500c with an extra 210 cab would cover almost any conceivable gig situation short of an arena, IMHO, and be much more portable than a 410.
I heard of husband and wife sleeping in different rooms...but different cities?
Hmmmm. You might be on to something.
Although I think I would miss the "Can you turn that down a bit?" comment from my wife....
Like your avatar @JakobT !
I heard of husband and wife sleeping in different rooms...but different cities?
Hmmmm. You might be on to something.
Social distancing...
I heard of husband and wife sleeping in different rooms...but different cities?
Hmmmm. You might be on to something.
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I'd take a wife that asks to turn down over a GF that says "You know I don't listen to music enough to know what song that is. Why do you keep asking?"
Hell, I think wife in another state is preferable.
Thanks! Thought I’d mix it up a little. It’s taken from a recent band photo.Jake! Cool new avatar. Didn't recognize you, at first.
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Back when I had a job, and a wife, she worked in Chicago and I worked in Asia and Europe. Managed to avoid the Dragon Queen over 3/4 of the time!
I'm in the same boat jdh3000 and thinking different Rumble possibilities over.
I'm either getting a 500 combo + cab, or an 800HD and 2 cabs. My only issue is trying to crunch the possibilities regarding having a backup rig and things I may mix and match with.
For me, I reckon an 800HD and two 2x10 Rumble cabs would be a good modular option with an additional head tucked away as a backup - not necessaily another 800HD - just something to get me by.
My other option would be a 500 combo and Rumble 2x10 cab with the backup head, say...a 800HD so I can go 400w into the 2x10 cab if the 500 combo should fail. If the 2x10 cab fails (how likely is this?), then I have the 350w of the Rumble 500 combo and its DI to fall back on. You're probably wondering, why a backup 800HD and not a 2nd hand 500HD or a Trace Elliot Elf? Because if I add another cab, I have lots of options then and can use the 2 cabs with 800w of the 800HD as my main rig. However, I'm now acutely aware that the latter GAS situation would require a backup-backup head (because I made my backup my main) or dragging the 500 combo around as a backup. I'm just being a greedy git now though - albeit still a bit practical.
What do you experienced Rumblers think of my two potential options above? It would be great to get folks' opinions here in terms of Rumble gear combinations in context of backup rig considerations/recommendations.
I also have an Ampeg SCR-DI and Sansamp Bass Driver which could go to a PA (if a PA is available).
C2C
I'm in the same boat jdh3000 and thinking different Rumble possibilities over.
I'm either getting a 500 combo + cab, or an 800HD and 2 cabs. My only issue is trying to crunch the possibilities regarding having a backup rig and things I may mix and match with.
For me, I reckon an 800HD and two 2x10 Rumble cabs would be a good modular option with an additional head tucked away as a backup - not necessaily another 800HD - just something to get me by.
My other option would be a 500 combo and Rumble 2x10 cab with the backup head, say...a 800HD so I can go 400w into the 2x10 cab if the 500 combo should fail. If the 2x10 cab fails (how likely is this?), then I have the 350w of the Rumble 500 combo and its DI to fall back on. You're probably wondering, why a backup 800HD and not a 2nd hand 500HD or a Trace Elliot Elf? Because if I add another cab, I have lots of options then and can use the 2 cabs with 800w of the 800HD as my main rig. However, I'm now acutely aware that the latter GAS situation would require a backup-backup head (because I made my backup my main) or dragging the 500 combo around as a backup. I'm just being a greedy git now though - albeit still a bit practical.
What do you experienced Rumblers think of my two potential options above? It would be great to get folks' opinions here in terms of Rumble gear combinations in context of backup rig considerations/recommendations.
I also have an Ampeg SCR-DI and Sansamp Bass Driver which could go to a PA (if a PA is available).
C2C
I'm in the same boat jdh3000 and thinking different Rumble possibilities over.
I'm either getting a 500 combo + cab, or an 800HD and 2 cabs. My only issue is trying to crunch the possibilities regarding having a backup rig and things I may mix and match with.
For me, I reckon an 800HD and two 2x10 Rumble cabs would be a good modular option with an additional head tucked away as a backup - not necessaily another 800HD - just something to get me by.
My other option would be a 500 combo and Rumble 2x10 cab with the backup head, say...a 800HD so I can go 400w into the 2x10 cab if the 500 combo should fail. If the 2x10 cab fails (how likely is this?), then I have the 350w of the Rumble 500 combo and its DI to fall back on. You're probably wondering, why a backup 800HD and not a 2nd hand 500HD or a Trace Elliot Elf? Because if I add another cab, I have lots of options then and can use the 2 cabs with 800w of the 800HD as my main rig. However, I'm now acutely aware that the latter GAS situation would require a backup-backup head (because I made my backup my main) or dragging the 500 combo around as a backup. I'm just being a greedy git now though - albeit still a bit practical.
What do you experienced Rumblers think of my two potential options above? It would be great to get folks' opinions here in terms of Rumble gear combinations in context of backup rig considerations/recommendations.
I also have an Ampeg SCR-DI and Sansamp Bass Driver which could go to a PA (if a PA is available).
C2C
I'm thinking of starting with the 500, then adding the 210 cab. It may be enough. It would be great on some fill in gigs where all I need is a small amp.
I will probably eventually get an 800, but the 500 is a good place to start.
