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Fender Rumble LT25, Studio 40 & Stage 800

#821
ShawnG said:
All in all, I’m pretty happy with my purchase, even more so now that I’ve gotten the stale cigarette/ganja smoke smell out of it!!
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Always a prerequisite with any recently-purchased, formerly reggae player-owned equipment! Very glad you like it. The TV model is my new Precision’s favorite at the moment. I do like the idea of creating a unique set for each bass guitar. And why not, there’s like a million presets available!
 
#822
ShawnG said:
Another quick question, in order to get all of the volume out of a preset, I am assuming you need to boost the “virtual” volume of the preset as well as the “Master” knob?
Not sure why each preset has a different “virtual” volume vs. everything being flat and then just using the Master knob. If someone can educate me, I’m all ears (beginner bassist, here). Thx!
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I know there’s a global EQ for the amp, but I believe you’ll have to tailor each model’s volume. So yes, that means some, like my acoustic setting, are gonna need bumping up, while those like my Orange, that I call “Fuzzy Naval” may need to be reduced or risk nuclear meltdown!

This could be a question for Droopy_TX.
 
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#823
iagtrplyr said:
I know there’s a global EQ for the amp, but I believe you’ll have to tailor each model’s volume. So yes, that means some, like my acoustic setting, are gonna need bumping up, while those like my Orange, that I call “Fuzzy Naval” may need to be reduced or risk nuclear meltdown!

This could be a question for Droopy_TX.
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@iagtrplyr, @ShawnG,
Gonna make this short (for me). I’m still on our road trip. (Leaving Yellowstone today.)

The only reasons I can think for why the volumes vary among presets are that they’re developed by different folks at Fender, and (perhaps) they’re based on physical amp settings simply transcribed to the digital model; but, they do vary. The Volume control on the amp model is usually the parameter to use to level-match the presets. If there are effects prior to the amp in the signal chain (e.g. a stomp box effect), its volume setting may also be a good place to set the level.

I always keep a personal copy of the presets I use called “MY_xxxx”; so I retain the original preset settings as well as my tweaks. I then copy those presets to my “favorites” slots for live use, so that I don’t overwrite the original presets nor my personal presets. (I only use about 6 presets right now. I also record the settings using my preset templates.).

Volume matching can be mostly done in advance. I use my DAW to get the same approximate dB levels. But, any final tweaks to preset volumes and tones should be done in context (with the band), at performance volumes. I make my changes on the amp’s front panel; then double-press SAVE to save the changes between tests. Of course, you can use the Tone app, too.

After the gig, I review the changes I made to see if it’s something I want to keep, or if the changes were venue-specific (e.g. tonal changes due to room resonance). If I keep the changes, I copy the new settings to my personal presets. If I don’t want to keep the changes, I restore my personal presets to the (live) “favorites” slots.

It may seem a bit OCD, but it works for me.

Hope this helps.
Take care.
 
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#825
iagtrplyr said:
Hooray for ShawnG! Welcome to the modeling world of Fender! I think you’re gonna love it, especially if you’re patient and like to dabble with your tones.

Truly, stock mode is what you wish to make it. Yeah, if you physically want to model what it has inside, a Rumble V3 model with 210s would I suppose be the default. Run through your speaker selection after you choose your amp model and see what your ears like. Heck, it might end up being an 8 X 10 with neo drivers!

For your second question, and please people, feel free to chime in. Clean, as in any one of the amp models that runs lower gains and no effects is not hard to find. Fender’s own Acoustic model will give you that in spades. It’s a tad dry but serviceable. As mentioned, I love the British clean, but that’s my ears talking.

I’d maybe consider the base GK 800RB as a nice clean model. I think it’s fairly modern-sounding. The first model preset is Fender’s Basic Bassman Clean and it’s a great foundation to build from.

How soon before you pick it up?
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That's about how I go about dialing in a tone. I've got my go-to amp models such as the 59 Bassman Room, GK800, Deep Rumble, Bassman 300. After selecting one, I play around with the cabinet options.. sometimes "None" sounds great. As for volume ShawnG, I try to normalize volumes across presets as I go. I think I prefer throwing an overdrive in the signal chain rather than cranking the gain so that I can go from a dirty to clean quickly. I mostly max out volume/master volumes and just use the physical knob.

Just have fun experimenting. But remember not to get bogged down tweaking tones and actually play. Get some pics to us ShawnG
 
#832
After having another tone deep dive my patch is even simpler. Modern Bass OD w/ bass reduced, KGB-800 w/ low cut on & bass boosted into the 4x10 Pro. I'll fine tune on the next pass. The close second was the same but the Rockin Peg with the 2x15 Pro.
 
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#833
Droopy_TX said:
@iagtrplyr, @ShawnG,
Gonna make this short (for me). I’m still on our road trip. (Leaving Yellowstone today.)

The only reasons I can think for why the volumes vary among presets are that they’re developed by different folks at Fender, and (perhaps) they’re based on physical amp settings simply transcribed to the digital model; but, they do vary. The Volume control on the amp model is usually the parameter to use to level-match the presets. If there are effects prior to the amp in the signal chain (e.g. a stomp box effect), its volume setting may also be a good place to set the level.

I always keep a personal copy of the presets I use called “MY_xxxx”; so I retain the original preset settings as well as my tweaks. I then copy those presets to my “favorites” slots for live use, so that I don’t overwrite the original presets nor my personal presets. (I only use about 6 presets right now. I also record the settings using my preset templates.).

Volume matching can be mostly done in advance. I use my DAW to get the same approximate dB levels. But, any final tweaks to preset volumes and tones should be done in context (with the band), at performance volumes. I make my changes on the amp’s front panel; then double-press SAVE to save the changes between tests. Of course, you can use the Tone app, too.

After the gig, I review the changes I made to see if it’s something I want to keep, or if the changes were venue-specific (e.g. tonal changes due to room resonance). If I keep the changes, I copy the new settings to my personal presets. If I don’t want to keep the changes, I restore my personal presets to the (live) “favorites” slots.

It may seem a bit OCD, but it works for me.

Hope this helps.
Take care.
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Thanks, Droops. One man’s OCD is another man’s treasure. I’m impressed by your organization and dedication to your sonic craft. You are one musician who demands the most out of his gear and gets it too.
 
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#835
Solude said:
After having another tone deep dive my patch is even simpler. Modern Bass OD w/ bass reduced, KGB-800 w/ low cut on & bass boosted into the 4x10 Pro. I'll fine tune on the next pass. The close second was the same but the Rockin Peg with the 2x15 Pro.
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Nice I'll have to try that out. I've been loving the KGB-800 with the 4x10 Goliath. It's the right amount of oomph and clarity. Makes me wish I had GK back in the day when I bought my stack.
 
#837
It didn't turn off just froze on the normal screen sometime between last night and this morning. I also hope they introduce some more stomp options between overdrive and fuzz. As is the Bass OD is the only one I like. The others are too subtle or too much :(
 
#839
Nothing I use often gets turned off. Thermal cycling will kill electronics faster than anything else. Even my previous tube amps were on 24/7. I understand the the Stage is a computer but it's also a performance tool so freezing while playing isn't acceptable.
 
#840
And it crashed again last night. Based on the serial it is an early 2018 model. I have one more test to run but will likely ask the shop to order me a current 2020 revision either way.

With that out of the way, in direct comparison to Helix Native through my studio monitors, the Stage comes in second. It has obvious advantages like going deeper and pure volume but given I'm in a stacked condo and not playing with others... are they advantages for me? Don't know. For reference the monitors can output a low E at 100dB if I set their HPF to 60Hz.

Today I'm going to test Helix Native into the Stage to see if that helps push it over. At the end of the day, modeling aside, it's still a quiet 400w 2x10 with lots of i/o options. The only comparable is the GK MB210 but it is slightly less powerful at 350W and has very little i/o.
 

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