Fender Rumble LT25, Studio 40 & Stage 800

[DigiGal]

I'm having an issue with my Studio. I recently bought an EXP-1 and when I hook it up, my amp cuts out and won't play sound again until I shut it down and turn it back on. then it will work for a bit and cuts out again. If it matters, I'm running a GXT-7 foot switch.

Perhaps, release notes are not clear but the first screenshot below of release notes indicates footswitch reliability in version 3.0.41. I’ve had some rare occurrences of sound cutout with my MGT-4 footswitch connected. Sounded to me like an insert connector issue, though rebooting the amp corrected the issue for me each time. I never mentioned it before and didn’t until now think it could have been a version 3.0.33 issue.

The most current amp update was released 11/15/21. I’ve only recently upgraded myself but thus far haven’t had any sound cutout issue with footswitch connected. Prior to 12/13/22 I was running version 3.0.33 which isn’t even listed in the release notes. I’d have to look back to see when I updated to version 3.0.33, may have posted in this thread. Don’t believe I had the issue prior to version 3.0.33 so that may be why 7ender isn’t showing release notes for it. I’d guess 3.0.33 was a brief update that could have introduced the footswitch issue and was shortly after replaced with 3.0.41 a little over a year ago on 11/15/21.

Image below shows the version I had previously updated to and was running until 12/13/22.

 

[Bassplayer1586]

Has anyone been able to replicate the sound of the 65 Twin Reverb + compressor from the Fender Mustang Micro to the Rumble Stage 800? I need this sound for my stage 800!

 

[G-Dog]

Has anyone been able to replicate the sound of the 65 Twin Reverb + compressor from the Fender Mustang Micro to the Rumble Stage 800? I need this sound for my stage 800!

Hmmm, ... that presupposes that the bass oriented models in the Rumbles can replicate the guitar oriented models of the Mustang Micro. And that one knows just what that Micro preset sounds like. I dunno about the former and I'm unfamiliar with the latter. But, not letting such trivialities stop me, I'll take a stab at it, anyway.

You might start with the Dual Showman amp, as the closest stock amp model to the Twin, and add the 2x12 Open cab, again approximating the Twin. Then comes the first tough part, you have a few different bass compressor models, and their various settings, to sort out that (probably guitar) compressor sound: the Simple Compressor (MXR Dyna Comp), the Sustain (MXR M-163 Sustain Compressor), and the Compressor (with Gain/Threshold/Attack/Release). Then, a bit tougher, if there's any Reverb in it, you have 14 to choose from; or some subtle Delay has 11 to choose; a couple of Chorus pedals and assorted Distortions and Overdrives. There ya go! Simple as that!

Am I missing anything? Probably. But, I don't know what I don't know.

But I do know, Bp1586, that you should mention your Rumble in the Fender Rumble Club. and get a free membership. You'll be glad you did.
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[reverendboom]

I'm having an issue with my Studio. I recently bought an EXP-1 and when I hook it up, my amp cuts out and won't play sound again until I shut it down and turn it back on. then it will work for a bit and cuts out again. If it matters, I'm running a GXT-7 foot switch.

UPDATE: I finally got a chance to do an update and the EXP-1 is now functioning without causing any issues. Now I can get close to the Jew's harp sound in "Up on Cripple Creek".

 

[ArnaudG]

Hi there !

I'm thinking about buying a real bass amp after having played for 2 years on a marshall killburn connected to an audio interface. (LOL but it works )
For the moment I don't play with a band, I just practice at home on bass tabs and backing tracks

At the beginning I was thinking about a rumble studio 40 but finally I think that the rumble stage 800 is maybe a better choice because it will allow me when I'm ready to play on stage.
And then I was surprised by the weight and the size that remains contained with the rumble stage 800

But I have some questions:

- at equivalent sound power setting without effects or anything, does the stage 800 have a better sound than the studio 40 ?

- At low volume in my apartment, does the stage 800 allow to play with a good sound at very low volume ? the same way as a studio 40 ?

- is there a annoying fan ambient sound ?

- when you stream sound with your pc or your smartphone on the stage 800, what quality of sound can you expect? comparing it to a good connected speaker or a hi-fi system?

Thank you for your advice

 

[TH0MAS]

Hi there !

- At low volume in my apartment, does the stage 800 allow to play with a good sound at very low volume ? the same way as a studio 40 ?

- is there a annoying fan ambient sound ?

Thank you for your advice

I can’t answer your other questions, but can answer these. I use my 800 at home with the extension cab and have it at a low volume for practice and it sounds just great. There is no ambient fan noise, you definitely can’t hear it above your playing, even at low levels. Don’t let the fan noise dissuade you, it is barely noticeable, even when not playing anything and the amp is just on.

I hope this helps!

 

[G-Dog]

Hi there ! ... ... ...

Hi, Arny! Welcome to TalkBass in general and to this sub-thread of the Fender Rumble Club in particular! We're glad to hear from you and look forward to you joining our ranks. ​

... ... ...
- at equivalent sound power setting without effects or anything, does the stage 800 have a better sound than the studio 40 ? ... ... ...

I have the Studio 40 and a Rumble 500 combo (same speakers as the Stage 800), and IME the 2x10" speakers, with the extra headroom behind it, certainly gives a a fuller, more rich sound. ​

... ... ...
- when you stream sound with your pc or your smartphone on the stage 800, what quality of sound can you expect? comparing it to a good connected speaker or a hi-fi system?

Thank you for your advice

I'd say it's comparable to a good hi-fi system. Maybe not quite as hi-fi, but very nice.
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[reverendboom]

Hi there !

I'm thinking about buying a real bass amp after having played for 2 years on a marshall killburn connected to an audio interface. (LOL but it works )
For the moment I don't play with a band, I just practice at home on bass tabs and backing tracks

At the beginning I was thinking about a rumble studio 40 but finally I think that the rumble stage 800 is maybe a better choice because it will allow me when I'm ready to play on stage.
And then I was surprised by the weight and the size that remains contained with the rumble stage 800

But I have some questions:

- at equivalent sound power setting without effects or anything, does the stage 800 have a better sound than the studio 40 ?

- At low volume in my apartment, does the stage 800 allow to play with a good sound at very low volume ? the same way as a studio 40 ?

- is there a annoying fan ambient sound ?

- when you stream sound with your pc or your smartphone on the stage 800, what quality of sound can you expect? comparing it to a good connected speaker or a hi-fi system?

Thank you for your advice

I have a Studio 40 and use it for band practice (drums and two guitars). If the rest of the band gets too loud for it, they're playing too loud (that has only happened once). For gigs, I have a 500c that I piggy-back off of the studio.

 

[ArnaudG]

I can’t answer your other questions, but can answer these. I use my 800 at home with the extension cab and have it at a low volume for practice and it sounds just great. There is no ambient fan noise, you definitely can’t hear it above your playing, even at low levels. Don’t let the fan noise dissuade you, it is barely noticeable, even when not playing anything and the amp is just on.

I hope this helps!

thank you for your answer, it's a good news

 

[ArnaudG]

Hi, Arny! Welcome to TalkBass in general and to this sub-thread of the Fender Rumble Club in particular! We're glad to hear from you and look forward to you joining our ranks. ​

I have the Studio 40 and a Rumble 500 combo (same speakers as the Stage 800), and IME the 2x10" speakers, with the extra headroom behind it, certainly gives a a fuller, more rich sound. ​

I'd say it's comparable to a good hi-fi system. Maybe not quite as hi-fi, but very nice.
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thank you for welcoming me in this way and thanks for your enlightenment

I have a Studio 40 and use it for band practice (drums and two guitars). If the rest of the band gets too loud for it, they're playing too loud (that has only happened once). For gigs, I have a 500c that I piggy-back off of the studio.

even though I don't think I'm about to perform on a big stage yet, I figure I might as well have the equipment ready for it so I think I'm going to order the stage 800

 

[G-Dog]

thank you for welcoming me in this way and thanks for your enlightenment

even though I don't think I'm about to perform on a big stage yet, I figure I might as well have the equipment ready for it so I think I'm going to order the stage 800

You're welcome! Your logic makes good sense. Just one final clarifying point, please.

The Rumble Stage 800, and the Rumble Studio 40, are bass modeling amps, quite unlike all the other Rumble amps you may have seen in music stores. I recommend you at least browse through the Stage & Studio manual to see just what all is involved. You mentioned "a setting without effects or anything." Well, they don't have that. You have to choose, at least, a modeled bass amp, be it Fender, Marshall, Gallien-Kruger, or whatever, which is an effect in broad terms, just to get any sound from it! There are also extension cabinet effects and all kinds of pedal effects, as well; all built-in and ready to use. It can become a bit complicated, at first, for those expecting a simple few knobs of controls. But, if this is what you like, like we all do, then it's a virtual playground of all kinds of bass gear!!

If that's not what you're looking for, then there is the Rumble 500 or Rumble 800 COMBOs with more traditional controls, but less tone flexibility.

Whichever you choose, we stand ready to welcome you into membership in the main Fender Rumble Club thread. Just go there and tell us about your Rumble, and share a photo if you will (but not required), to get your free, unique Rumble Club number.
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[Old Garage-Bander]

You're welcome! Your logic makes good sense. Just one final clarifying point, please.

The Rumble Stage 800, and the Rumble Studio 40, are bass modeling amps, quite unlike all the other Rumble amps you may have seen in music stores. I recommend you at least browse through the Stage & Studio manual to see just what all is involved. You mentioned "a setting without effects or anything." Well, they don't have that. You have to choose, at least, a modeled bass amp, be it Fender, Marshall, Gallien-Kruger, or whatever, which is an effect in broad terms, just to get any sound from it! There are also extension cabinet effects and all kinds of pedal effects, as well; all built-in and ready to use. It can become a bit complicated, at first, for those expecting a simple few knobs of controls. But, if this is what you like, like we all do, then it's a virtual playground of all kinds of bass gear!!

If that's not what you're looking for, then there is the Rumble 500 or Rumble 800 COMBOs with more traditional controls, but less tone flexibility.

Whichever you choose, we stand ready to welcome you into membership in the main Fender Rumble Club thread. Just go there and tell us about your Rumble, and share a photo if you will (but not required), to get your free, unique Rumble Club number.
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Still new to my Studio-40.
I think there is a bypass feature the takes out the effects and modeling for any setting you are on, and the amp still works.
I guess the question is... what is it working at? Just being like regular Rumble 40? Hmmm that's still modeling though I guess? Is it all just about the physical control knob settings?

Must go play with new toy now.

 

[G-Dog]

Still new to my Studio-40.
I think there is a bypass feature the takes out the effects and modeling for any setting you are on, and the amp still works.
I guess the question is... what is it working at? Just being like regular Rumble 40? Hmmm that's still modeling though I guess? Is it all just about the physical control knob settings?

Must go play with new toy now.

Yo, Bander! I believe you're thinking of the hardware X FX utility button that "bypasses all effects", for all presets. It does not, however, bypass the selected amp model; be it Bassman, GK, Rumble, whatever. The amp voice you hear is still a modeled tone. That's why I said that "amp model" can be thought of, in the broader sense, as an effect itself. But, in this explanation of the X FX button below, I believe, the term "effects", being turned off, refers only to the pedal-type models. Cab sims? I dunno.

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[ArnaudG]

You're welcome! Your logic makes good sense. Just one final clarifying point, please.

The Rumble Stage 800, and the Rumble Studio 40, are bass modeling amps, quite unlike all the other Rumble amps you may have seen in music stores. I recommend you at least browse through the Stage & Studio manual to see just what all is involved. You mentioned "a setting without effects or anything." Well, they don't have that. You have to choose, at least, a modeled bass amp, be it Fender, Marshall, Gallien-Kruger, or whatever, which is an effect in broad terms, just to get any sound from it! There are also extension cabinet effects and all kinds of pedal effects, as well; all built-in and ready to use. It can become a bit complicated, at first, for those expecting a simple few knobs of controls. But, if this is what you like, like we all do, then it's a virtual playground of all kinds of bass gear!!

If that's not what you're looking for, then there is the Rumble 500 or Rumble 800 COMBOs with more traditional controls, but less tone flexibility.

Whichever you choose, we stand ready to welcome you into membership in the main Fender Rumble Club thread. Just go there and tell us about your Rumble, and share a photo if you will (but not required), to get your free, unique Rumble Club number.
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Yes, that's exactly what I'm looking for. Initially I wasn't really looking for a modeling amp. But when I watched some test videos on youtube, the quality of the presets, the ease of use, the possibilities of adjustments have aroused my interest. And finally the phase of choosing an amp which is still complicated, few stores offer tests, they often only have a small selection. So with an amp that can emulate convincingly a large choice of recent or old school amps makes the thing a no brainer. and all the effects are a bonus, the possibility to use the amp as a connected speaker too, the pedal delivered and the application makes you want to experiment, maybe later, all the possibilities. I'll go and have a look at the fender rumble club, I promise you
Thank you

 

[ArnaudG]

Just for my curiosity, is there anything in the effects offered (or downloadable) on the rumble studio that is similar to the pedal Boss Slicer SL-2 ?

 

[G-Dog]

Yes, that's exactly what I'm looking for. ... ... So with an amp that can emulate convincingly a large choice of recent or old school amps makes the thing a no brainer. and all the effects are a bonus, the possibility to use the amp as a connected speaker too, the pedal delivered and the application makes you want to experiment, maybe later, all the possibilities. I'll go and have a look at the fender rumble club, I promise you
Thank you

Yes, Arny, anyone can start very simply just using the 100 stock presets "as is". Then, as interest grows, they can delve into copying a favorite preset to the 101 - 200 range and tweaking it experimentally. Then, even later, they can dig as deep as they want to go into all the available myriad possible settings in any given preset!

Ah, and the Fender Tone App on your phone and/or tablet can make selecting, copying and tweaking settings SO convenient that you can spend hours doing it before you know it! ​

Just for my curiosity, is there anything in the effects offered (or downloadable) on the rumble studio that is similar to the pedal Boss Slicer SL-2 ?

A. The Studio and Stage have the same pre-amp and all the same models and presets available. Their main, if not only, difference is their power amps.

2. Sorry, I'm not familiar with the Boss Slicer SL-2, but you can check out the list of stock pedal models as explained at the bottom of the DECODER PDF files that Rumbler @Droopy_TX saved for us in this handy Google Docs link. There are also many other helpful files there for learning more about all the stock presets.
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Hope this helps.
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[Old Garage-Bander]

Yo, Bander! I believe you're thinking of the hardware X FX utility button that "bypasses all effects", for all presets. It does not, however, bypass the selected amp model; be it Bassman, GK, Rumble, whatever. The amp voice you hear is still a modeled tone. That's why I said that "amp model" can be thought of, in the broader sense, as an effect itself. But, in this explanation of the X FX button below, I believe, the term "effects", being turned off, refers only to the pedal-type models. Cab sims? I dunno.

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Thanks @G-Dog.
Yeah... went down to the bassment and tried it out. Just like you said.

 

[reverendboom]

The thing I've found is that, like most modeling, is that the stock presets with effects tend to be overdone and need to be calmed down a bit to be truly useful, particularly in a band situation... LESS IS OFTEN MORE

 

[G-Dog]

Thanks @G-Dog.
Yeah... went down to the bassment and tried it out. Just like you said.

Thanks, Bandy. I appreciate the confirmation.

Sorry if it's a bit pedantic, though. It's just there's SO many wonderful things these amps can do, that some of them have some very subtle ... uh, ... attributes. I just try to make sure that users (that are new to me) considering them understand the main differences from the non-modeling Rumbles so they're not too shocked. I think I got quite an earfull of surprise from one such new owner that has left a lasting impression on me.
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[Deleted member 268085]

Hi there !

I'm thinking about buying a real bass amp after having played for 2 years on a marshall killburn connected to an audio interface. (LOL but it works )
For the moment I don't play with a band, I just practice at home on bass tabs and backing tracks

At the beginning I was thinking about a rumble studio 40 but finally I think that the rumble stage 800 is maybe a better choice because it will allow me when I'm ready to play on stage.
And then I was surprised by the weight and the size that remains contained with the rumble stage 800

But I have some questions:

- at equivalent sound power setting without effects or anything, does the stage 800 have a better sound than the studio 40 ?

- At low volume in my apartment, does the stage 800 allow to play with a good sound at very low volume ? the same way as a studio 40 ?

- is there a annoying fan ambient sound ?

- when you stream sound with your pc or your smartphone on the stage 800, what quality of sound can you expect? comparing it to a good connected speaker or a hi-fi system?

Thank you for your advice

When streaming audio into the AUX input, remember to turn the compression tweeter on. When you're playing your bass into the amp, you would normally turn it off.

I've found it's nice to have a "Y" cable with an 1/8" stereo plug on one end, and a pair of 1/4" plugs on the Y end. It can be used two different ways.

1) Most ASIO drivers for audio interfaces are not multi-client capable. If you are using your interface to record your bass into a DAW using ASIO, you can't play a YouTube or MP3 backing track into your monitors, you'd be stuck with the internal speakers on your desktop/laptop. However, the audio sent to the headphone jack on the PC is very high quality. You can use the Y cable to connect the headphone out (1/8") to a pair of inputs on your audio interface for playing into your good monitors and for recording along with your bass track.

2) Or, you can use the cable the other way around by plugging the 1/4" mono plugs into a pair of audio outputs on your audio interface and the 1/8" stereo plug into the AUX input of the Rumble amp.

Another option to consider if you're just playing at home at the moment, is to buy a Studio 40 now and then buy a 200, 500 or 800 combo (not the Stage version) when you start gigging. You can then plug your bass into the Studio 40 for using its presets and then chain it to the new combo (FX Send on the 40 to FX Return on the combo). That would let you pick an appropriate sized gigging combo. I had a 200 in the U.S. and loved it, but had to sell it when I moved to France. Now, I have only a Studio 40 for home playing. On the off chance that I ever play out again, I'll buy a larger Rumble combo and chain my existing 40 to it.

You'll spend less money now, and have more flexibility in the future, should you start gigging.