Fender Rumble LT25, Studio 40 & Stage 800

[G-Dog]

Probably me, but I'm poring over the 800 HD block diagram, but can't find "Pre XLR Out", only "Line Out" with XLR connection symbol. I have a related question once I find what you're pointing to.

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I do find this, and see "Pre" pole, but I don't trace that to an output port, it goes to "Speaker Cab Sym":
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See the Pre/Post Switch (set to Post) directly right of the Line Out (with the XLR connection symbol)? Then see where the Pre side of that switch comes from, right inside the Input? When that switch is flipped to the Pre side, then the Line Out doesn't get the Post signal that goes through the Speaker Cab Sim. The Pre side of that switch effectively bypasses all the preamp signal from going to the Line Out.

Next question?

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[Brians356]

See the Pre/Post Switch (set to Post) directly right of the Line Out (with the XLR connection symbol)? Then see where the Pre side of that switch comes from, right inside the Input? When that switch is flipped to the Pre side,

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Damn, I moved the wrong end of the toggle! Now it's obvious (that I'm an idiot.)

My question is moot, as I see my R200 has no such Pre/Post switch. Thanks!
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[G-Dog]

Damn, I moved the wrong end of the toggle! Now it's obvious (that I'm an idiot.)

My question is moot, as I see my R200 has no such Pre/Post switch. Thanks!
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Hey, don't beat yourself up. Let somebody else do it! Jk! Reading such diagrams isn't always easy. In fact, I'm getting dyslexia (sp?) in my old age, though I used to do trig in my head reliably.

No, the Pre/Post Switch and the Master volume being "downstream" of the XLR Line Out are two new features of the R800HD introduction in 2019. None of the lower power Rumble models got that, ... yet.
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[postalflunkie]

On a similar note, I've been using my studio 40 as a powered speaker for a Frog pedals tube preamp I built, plugging it into the effects return on the back. Sounds amazing and with the foot switch I can still use the 40's looper function

 

[Geddy Claypool]

I’m super interested in a Rumble Studio 40 as a quiet way to practice and jam at home without having to set up my live rig and pedalboard. Super noob question: are you able to actually play bass through the amp while streaming music via Bluetooth? I really want it as an easy way to play with songs or beats and work on timing and grooves. It would seem like the whole point of the Bluetooth streaming is to not have to connect an aux in for playing along to music, but I just wanted to verify that it’s not an “either-or” type of thing with streaming audio via Bluetooth and playing bass.

Thanks!

 

[G-Dog]

I’m super interested in a Rumble Studio 40 as a quiet way to practice and jam at home without having to set up my live rig and pedalboard. Super noob question: are you able to actually play bass through the amp while streaming music via Bluetooth? I really want it as an easy way to play with songs or beats and work on timing and grooves. It would seem like the whole point of the Bluetooth streaming is to not have to connect an aux in for playing along to music, but I just wanted to verify that it’s not an “either/or” type of thing with streaming audio via Bluetooth and playing bass.

Thanks!

Right, Geddy. You can play bass while streaming music via Bluetooth. Rest assured of that.

However, be aware that the cool & convenient Invalid Link Removed for your phone or tablet can totally control the Studio also by Bluetooth, but not while streaming. The remote control and the streaming is "either or" but not both! Many of us find it better to use a cable to Aux In for streaming so we can change or tweak presets via the Tone Ap.

HTH.
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[Geddy Claypool]

Right, Geddy. You can play bass while streaming music via Bluetooth. Rest assured of that.

However, be aware that the cool & convenient Invalid Link Removed for your phone or tablet can totally control the Studio also by Bluetooth, but not while streaming. The remote control and the streaming is "either or" but not both! Many of us find it better to use a cable to Aux In for streaming so we can change or tweak presets via the Tone Ap.

HTH.
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Nice! I appreciate the clarification. For me, the goal is to remove as many cables as possible to make it as fast and easy as possible to grab my bass and get going, so I'd like to avoid an Aux In cable. It seems that if you pre-configure a bunch of different presets before streaming via bluetooth, you'd largely be set, though obviously it would be preferable to be able to tweak things in real time as you're jamming along. The wireless streaming is one of the biggest advantages to me over the standard Rumble 40 for my use case. Thank you for the context- lots to consider here.

 

[G-Dog]

Nice! I appreciate the clarification. For me, the goal is to remove as many cables as possible to make it as fast and easy as possible to grab my bass and get going, so I'd like to avoid an Aux In cable. It seems that if you pre-configure a bunch of different presets before streaming via bluetooth, you'd largely be set, though obviously it would be preferable to be able to tweak things in real time as you're jamming along. The wireless streaming is one of the biggest advantages to me over the standard Rumble 40 for my use case. Thank you for the context- lots to consider here.

Also for convenience, I'd recommend either the MGT-4 or GTX-7 footswitch for quick access to the different presets, tuner & looper, especially if you're not going to use the Tone App. I realize that's the opposite of reducing cables, but it can be extremely worthwhile!
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[reverendboom]

Also for convenience, I'd recommend either the MGT-4 or GTX-7 footswitch for quick access to the different presets, tuner & looper, especially if you're not going to use the Tone App. I realize that's the opposite of reducing cables, but it can be extremely worthwhile!
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The GTX-7 gives a lot more control over individual or groups of effects.

 

[Deleted member 268085]

Nice! I appreciate the clarification. For me, the goal is to remove as many cables as possible to make it as fast and easy as possible to grab my bass and get going, so I'd like to avoid an Aux In cable. It seems that if you pre-configure a bunch of different presets before streaming via bluetooth, you'd largely be set, though obviously it would be preferable to be able to tweak things in real time as you're jamming along. The wireless streaming is one of the biggest advantages to me over the standard Rumble 40 for my use case. Thank you for the context- lots to consider here.

Or you don't have the option of using a cable. Many newer phones have eliminated the 1/8" headphone jack. That's the only thing I missed when I traded my Galaxy S10+ for a new Z Flip 4. I've got a really good RØDE mic with a 1/8" connector that I can no longer use.

 

[Deleted member 268085]

Posting this video for two reasons: 1) I've got one of these on the way from Thomann (should be here Monday), and 2) while he doesn't play it after the unboxing, check out his amp. The video is in Italian. No need to watch the whole thing unless you want to.

 

[ricardol]

Has anyone figured out the use for these options?
MENU -> FOOTSWITCH -> MGT-4 -> FX ASSIGN:

 

[vokain]

Since it’s a modeling amp, can I use the stage 800 as an effective practice amp too, at least on par to the analog 800’s 1/4 power attenuation?

 

[G-Dog]

Since it’s a modeling amp, can I use the stage 800 as an effective practice amp too, at least on par to the analog 800’s 1/4 power attenuation?

We-e-e-ell, ... of course the Master lets you turn down to practice and/or rehearsal volume levels.

BUT, there is also a digital Volume setting inside each individual preset!! And at least one bass-modeling Rumbler here, maybe more, has found that he had to turn up the default digital Volume setting on several presets to get the fuller/growlier tone & punch he wanted!

Conversely, you could copy some of your favorite presets to some of the empty slots 101-200 (to preserve the originals) as designated "Practice-Level Presets" and turn down the default digital volume on them to approximate the analog Rumble 800 COMBO's 1/4 power attenuation. (You may need to turn up another digital setting, or three, such as the Gain and/or EQ, to compensate for the lower digital Volume? So, don't be shy about "playing around" with those settings on the first one you copy and find out if it helps.)

Please let us know, vo, about your experience if you try this, will ya?
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[G-Dog]

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Attention: Rumble Club Wiki Edit Alert!

Thanks, @DannyBGood! Your recent questions about the Rumble 800 COMBO prompted me to update the Rumble Summary Information Chart with the current inflationary prices and to add the new Rumbo 800 COMBO!

Thank you, Dan, for your questions in the main Club, and other, threads
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[G-Dog]

Nice to see another Stage 800 lover here! I don't get why it garners so much hate with some players. I love it! You really have to do some tweaking but once you find the sweet spots it rocks. Would I play it on tour in an amphitheater? Probably not but then I'd have a 90lb tube head and 8x10 cabs and roadies.

I certainly don't think it's the "worst" bass amp Fender ever put out. Far from it.

j, you need to hang out here more, where your Rumble Stage 800 is better appreciated! Remember, I recommended this sub-thread of the main Rumble Club to you when you got inducted into The Club?

When some of our early discussions of the details of presets, and other technical peculiarities, of these great bass modeling combos came up in the main Club thread we always got some non-modeling Rumblers asking, "What the ____ are you talking about?" So, we finally came up with this Rumble Club subzthread dedicated to the bass modeling Rumbles! And it's been great! I hope you will enjoy it. Feel free to ask or discuss anything about your Stage here!
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[jwilson67]

j, you need to hang out here more, where your Rumble Stage 800 is better appreciated! Remember, I recommended this sub-thread of the main Rumble Club to you when you got inducted into The Club?

When some of our early discussions of the details of presets, and other technical peculiarities, of these great bass modeling combos came up in the main Club thread we always got some non-modeling Rumblers asking, "What the ____ are you talking about?" So, we finally came up with this Rumble Club subzthread dedicated to the bass modeling Rumbles! And it's been great! I hope you will enjoy it. Feel free to ask or discuss anything about your Stage here!
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Yeah - I remember! I do need to hang more here. In the other threads there are players who will use nothing but preconceived ideas of what something sounds like and not really use their ears.

I gotta say this amp has been a godsend for me. I used to run a Zoom B3 and some rando other effects into a 1000lb Ashdown head and 410 cab and in absolute seriousness the Stage 800 lays that combination to waste in so many ways.

 

[Old Garage-Bander]

How about some helpful and encouraging discussions about these bass modeling amps? Not a club, just a thread where owners, users, or shoppers can ask questions or just talk about what they like, or would like to understand, about these versatile amps.

The Fender Rumble LT25, introduced in 2019, and the Studio 40 and Stage 800, introduced in 2018, are the current incarnations, and expansion, of the bass modeling amp line that began in 2006 with the Fender B-DEC 30 and continued with the Fender Bronco 40 in 2011. The Rumble Stage 800 broke new ground as a large gigging bass modeling combo amp capable of outputting 800 clean continuous watts into either one, or two(!), 8 ohm extension cabinets, in addition to it's internal speakers. The Rumble LT25 is the newest model which makes a subset of the Stage & Studio modeling presets available to the practicing, or beginning, bassist at a very affordable price.

I have owned, gigged, and enjoyed, a Fender B-DEC 30 for over 10 years. I finally gave up waiting for it to develop a problem, as an excuse really, and bought a Fender Rumble Studio 40 anyway just a few months ago. I like many, though not nearly all, of the preset sounds from the B-DEC. But I like SO many more of the Studio's presets. And the Tone App on my phone makes controlling the Studio a great deal more convenient. And, luckily for me, the same 4-button footswitch I've been using for the B-DEC works like a charm with the Studio! Fender even sent me a free magnetic overlay for the footswitch that updates the buttons' labels. Alas, I've never delved very deeply into tweaking, or creating, presets. A shortcoming of mine that, perhaps, this thread can encourage me to overcome?

What do you think?

Hey @G-Dog thanks for this thread.
Ordered a Studio 40 yesterday, direct from Fender. They had the price tag cut way back for Cyber Monday.
Might still be on sale, if anyone's interested.

 

[jwilson67]

The funny thing is I wasn't going to get the Stage 800 based on what some players were saying about them - how awful they sounded. By chance the GC by my house happened to have a used one so I got to try it out in person. I was blown away by the sound, especially in light of some of the negative reviews. Like, I truly had no understanding what these players were even talking about or maybe my ears are just shot LOL.

In the end all I've gotten is nothing but compliments with my sound so far. No band members have told me to get rid of it and the audiences still have a great, if I dare say, maybe even better time since I started using it.

 

[ricardol]

It takes a certain personality to fully appreciate these amps. It is necessary to explore all its features and virtues, and this is not for everyone! The amplifier becomes one more instrument that you have to learn to play and that requires a lot of dedication. Having available in a small box an immense variety of amplifiers, speaker cabinets and effect pedals that we often never had the opportunity to try and that allow us to emulate the sounds of old classics that populate our subconscious is a fantastic wonder that can be too puzzling for some people.