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Fieldy has a Instructional DVD....

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#81
You guys may think Fieldy sucks, and you are very well entitled to your opinion. However, millions not on these forums disagee, and go out and buy Korn albums and spend hardearned money to see their shows. Music style or songs that sell are about catchy hooks and grooves. Ac/Dc is coming to my town and is playing a packed stadium. Yngwie Malmsteen was just here and barely sold out a club. Yngwie's songs are all neo-classical progressive technical. Ac/dc's new album sounds like one long song with the same beat, just like their old stuff.
 
#82
TimWilson said:
Let me try to be clear: I don't bash this kid because of the way he plays bass: More power to him. There can't be enough bass players playing enough different kinds of music.

I bash on him because he, and Korn as a whole, loudly and proudly wave the flag of intense substance abuse and fast-burn lifestyles that the kids who worship them will hurt themselves emulating. I bash on him because he makes incompetence look cool to kids who won't understand why they can't get work as musicians playing like him. And finally: sure I'm a little jealous of Fieldy's success. Any of us making a millifraction of his musical paycheck while taking music far more seriously than him would be lying to say otherwise. (And before you crack your knuckles getting ready to hammertype that enlightening essay on how Fieldy's 'music' is just as legit as Jaco's, lemme save you the trouble. I've read it before. I call bullspit.

Jealous of his success? Sure. Would I want his life? No. Not even if his money came with it. I expect to be here for my kids and grandkids 'til around 80 or so... about forty more years than Fieldy.
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it's rock music we are talking about, which is a form of entertainment. it deosn't really matter how good the musicians are.
 
#83
I've got nothing against fieldy's playing. It may not be very technically demanding and may not fulfill the trditional bass role and may sound extremely annoying to me any many others; but as many others have pointed out it has helped sell millions of records.

Great, go fieldy, you're a champion, we're all very proud of you.

My problem is that he's actually trying to 'instruct' young kids into adopting his horrid tone, which works for korn, but only for korn. Therefore heaps of kids are likely to watch the video and go make unoriginal korn wannabe bands (god forbid) or take this horrible clickity thing and try and put it into a cover band or something (god forbid).

Hopefully our youth are switched on enough to realise what's practical, but if this video is where you start off on the bass may allah help you.
 
#85
TobyBrodel said:
I've got nothing against fieldy's playing. It may not be very technically demanding and may not fulfill the trditional bass role and may sound extremely annoying to me any many others; but as many others have pointed out it has helped sell millions of records.

Great, go fieldy, you're a champion, we're all very proud of you.

My problem is that he's actually trying to 'instruct' young kids into adopting his horrid tone, which works for korn, but only for korn. Therefore heaps of kids are likely to watch the video and go make unoriginal korn wannabe bands (god forbid) or take this horrible clickity thing and try and put it into a cover band or something (god forbid).

Hopefully our youth are switched on enough to realise what's practical, but if this video is where you start off on the bass may allah help you.
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Just a thought:

I think a lot of senior bass players in the late 70s thought the same thing about bassists wantig to play hard rock and metal. That the youth back then wouldn't be inspired by for example Geezer Butler and Chris Squire.

And in the early 50s that some diehard double bassists had the same view on electric bassists.

And the general view about punk bassists from the 70s 'til now like for example Pete Wentz.


All it boils down to is that you will not cheer on the expansion of a genre you don't like.

:)

Good thing now that we have the internet to disencourage trends.

BTW: with Fieldy it has passed. He's been at it since the early 90s and in roughly 15 years there aren't that much (if not any) Fieldy clones and wannabees.
So don't be afraid about that. ;)


If I would state that I don't want the Jaco fanboys to copy his IMO bad sound, and that they rather should look up to fretless gods (IMO) like Steve DiGorgio, Tony Franklin and Sean Malone, then a serious flame war would start.
So I wont say that.
(:ninja: hehe, I said it. :p)
Joking. No disrespect to Jaco, but I happen to look up to other fretless players more.

Again: different taste in genre and musicians who contribute in certain genres.

;)
 
#89
Fieldy may be just a gimmick bass player, but he sure can attract plenty of attention. This thread started yesterday afternoon and already it has close to 90 posts.

I wonder, who are the target audience of Fieldy's dvd? I don't think beginners who are in need of fundamentals can benefit from it. Intermediate to advanced players probably want to learn techniques other than his. Therefore, I think purpose of the dvd is to inspire non-players to pick up the bass as their instrument of choice. Fieldy is one of the embassadors of bassdom, the same position Flea took up more than a decade ago.
 
#93
Good for Fieldy. Letting him explain some of his techniques to all his fans is a good thing. Now maybe Guitar Center won't sound so much like an inquisition torture chamber. At least the little ones can make some sort of an assemblence of notes/noise in unison. Viva la Instructional videos.
 
#94
I never bashed Feildly's playing. I really don't think it's all that bad. It's not my thing, but it works for him and who am I to bash that? With that said what it is I don't like are these bands offering little substance and lot's of anger for anger's sake. I dug the first Korn alnum, then was disappointed to hear that that was all they do. Just because millions of people buy it doesn't mean it's good. At one point in time every house had asbestos insulation on heat pipes, how good did that turn out? Hey, lot's of people smoke this crack, it must be good. And remember, doctors once advertised cigarettes.

Just because the masses fall for it doesn't mean much. The masses will buy what they are told to buy.

Read my Menckin quote in an earlier post.

Here's another

P.T. Barnum "There's a sucker born every minute."
 
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3toes said:
I'd like to see the Duff McKagan video they put an ad up for.
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They have a preview for it. Looks like the best of the bunch to me.

I've made this statement before, but it bears repeating. In my mind, it isn't just that guys like Pete Wentz or Fieldy are bad players, it's the fact that either they don't care that they are bad players (Wentz) or they have an unwarranted ego about their playing (Fieldy).

Two players I always really liked, Paul Simonon (Clash) and Tina Weymouth (Talking Heads) couldn't even play their instruments when they joined the band. But obviously each of them took learning the bass seriously as they evolved into very solid players. I think that's part of why guys like Wentz and Fieldy get slagged by other bassplayers. They show no dedication for their craft. The annoying non-musician view that the bass is a simple instrument is only reinforced by these types of players, which also leads to some frustration I imagine.

Korn has obviously been successful and Fieldy's bass playing has contributd to that success. But watching the previews for Munky and Fieldy I can't help but think that players that appear to know no theory and constantly refer to fret positions rather than notes probably shouldn't be doing instructional videos.
 
#97
Michael Case said:
I never bashed Feildly's playing. I really don't think it's all that bad. It's not my thing, but it works for him and who am I to bash that? With that said what it is I don't like are these bands offering little substance and lot's of anger for anger's sake. I dug the first Korn alnum, then was disappointed to hear that that was all they do. Just because millions of people buy it doesn't mean it's good. At one point in time every house had asbestos insulation on heat pipes, how good did that turn out? Hey, lot's of people smoke this crack, it must be good. And remember, doctors once advertised cigarettes.

Just because the masses fall for it doesn't mean much. The masses will buy what they are told to buy.

Read my Menckin quote in an earlier post.

Here's another

P.T. Barnum "There's a sucker born every minute."
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No need in trying to compare musical taste and preference to asbestos, crack, or cigarettes. Also not necessary: implying that fans of this music are suckers.

But I do always hear the old "Just because millions of people buy it doesn't mean it's good" schpeel. And that begs the question, what does constitute something being good, then?
 
#98
"How many of you guys that are saying that Fieldy is the biggest piece of garbage to ever touch the instrument play in cover bands?"

Meaning what? That guys like me who play in cover bands can't possibly understand what a creative genius Fieldy is or what monster talents are in Korn?

Fieldy is, IMO, an untalented hack who hit the lottery. The same could be said about a lot of players, but at least guys like Adam Clayton and Michael Anthony (for example) bring something -musical- to the mix. I could put a bass in front of a 5 year and and tell them to beat on it and it would be more musical that what Fieldy brings.

And you want to talk about being "too serious". Sounds to me that some people here are "too serious" about defending their heros.

Korn = bad band who got lucky
Fieldy = bad bass player in bad band that got lucky.
 
#99
Surly said:
You guys may think Fieldy sucks, and you are very well entitled to your opinion. However, millions not on these forums disagee, and go out and buy Korn albums and spend hardearned money to see their shows. Music style or songs that sell are about catchy hooks and grooves. Ac/Dc is coming to my town and is playing a packed stadium. Yngwie Malmsteen was just here and barely sold out a club. Yngwie's songs are all neo-classical progressive technical. Ac/dc's new album sounds like one long song with the same beat, just like their old stuff.
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AC/DC knows how to make simple rock songs that people can pump their fists and sing along to. Not exactly high art, but they do what they do very well. And since it's simple party rock, they have a huge audience.

Malmsteen knows how to make instrumental music that is of interest largely to other musicians. He also does what he does very well, but his audience is limited.

What was your point again?
 
#100
Toshiro said:
"How many of you guys that are saying that Fieldy is the biggest piece of garbage to ever touch the instrument play in cover bands?"

Meaning what? That guys like me who play in cover bands can't possibly understand what a creative genius Fieldy is or what monster talents are in Korn?

Fieldy is, IMO, an untalented hack who hit the lottery. The same could be said about a lot of players, but at least guys like Adam Clayton and Michael Anthony (for example) bring something -musical- to the mix. I could put a bass in front of a 5 year and and tell them to beat on it and it would be more musical that what Fieldy brings.

And you want to talk about being "too serious". Sounds to me that some people here are "too serious" about defending their heros.

Korn = bad band who got lucky
Fieldy = bad bass player in bad band that got lucky.
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You sound a bit serious too there rubber neck.:)
 
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