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FIFA World Cup 2014
- Thread starter GrumpiusMaximus
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You'd think you guys would be more upset at the complete lack of honor (not to mention pride) in so many of the players than what the sport itself is called in North America. Take the 2x4 out of your ass & relax. Be proud we even care enough to discuss this pastime at all.
There is a whole culture that goes back generations, way way deeper than any of the superfluous crapola you see at something like a World Cup.
It could be argued that the apparent lack of honour and pride is as a result of the huge commercial interests who have seen an opportunity to make money out of the sport and the pandering to them by the suits in organisation such as FIFA -with the objective of selling the game to exactly the geographical audience being talked about.
Football as a sport doesn't need the approval or interest of the USA - the twats who have somehow been allowed to take over and corrupt the game and their paymasters are who need to see it take off in the US, for their own ends; nothing to do with the sport.
Nothing would give me greater pleasure than to see some of the European organisations, particularly the English FA, refuse to have anything to do with the Qatar World Cup and all it stands for and take a stand against these people.
Well, we've been calling it "soccer" for generations. To us, "football" means something else. It's not something to get upset about. If it is, you'd better re-examine your priorities.
Or don't. Whatevs.
How do you feel when people call your bass a guitar or ask why your guitar has only got 4 strings.......
Soccer is a word the English came up with to describe the sport. Soccer is a valid name, and quite commonly used in Ireland where football can refer to soccer, rugby or gaelic, asking about "the football" on a day all three sports are playing is bloody annoying.
They are guitars though.How do you feel when people call your bass a guitar or ask why your guitar has only got 4 strings.......
You aren't going to convince Titus. Never mind the origins of the word, or that just about every former English colonial possession still says soccer, or that even in Britain there are programs like "Soccer Saturday" and "Soccer AM" that still exist. In a way, to deny the commonwealth & USA to say soccer is to deny their own imperial past and the history of their own language, IMO.
I've just learned to accept that I'm going to say "football" to appease our anglophone forefathers on this forum. I'm still going to say "football" in the NFL threads too.
I should point out I regularly call it soccer, both in this thread(as recently as yesterday), and the club threads, and haven't ever been called on it.
I agree, just pointing out that different, apparently small things press different people's buttons
Growing up, I spent a ****-ton of time with a family from Chile who were pretty big fans & my brother's in-laws are Dutch, and not once were we ever ridiculed for saying "soccer". And they certainly enjoyed it when we joined them to watch.
Are you sure that's what your point is? Because that reads to me like anyone calling this game "soccer" is on the same level of savvy as someone who doesn't know what a bass is.
I think some of you need to accept that the rest of the world plays & enjoys this game & you don't have sole stewardship over it.
.....Oh and it's D&T. It's always been D&T.
I agree, just pointing out that different, apparently small things press different people's buttons
Are you sure that's what your point is? Because that reads to me like anyone calling this game "soccer" is on the same level of savvy as someone who doesn't know what a bass is.
I think some of you need to accept that the rest of the world plays & enjoys this game & you don't have sole stewardship over it.
.....Oh and it's D&T. It's always been D&T.
It's been bugging the hell out of me, so I did a little research on the questions of (1) how American football (aka "gridiron") ever came to be called "football," given that that name was already well established around the world for a very different game, and (2) how that very-different game came to be called "soccer" in the U.S. Briefly, here's what I found:
Regarding (1): The first uniquely American game, between Rutgers University and Princeton University in 1869, was played under a set of rules that resembled a kind of hybrid of association football and rugby football. It soon evolved into a game much more like rugby football, and then eventually into the modern game of "American football." So at least it makes some sense that the name "football" came to be attached to it in the beginning, even though the modern game bears little resemblance to what most of the world calls "football" today.
Regarding (2): It seems that the word "soccer" might actually have been invented by.... Brits. At some point in the distant past, it was at least somewhat popular in Britain to distinguish rugby football from association football via the shortened, informal nicknames of "rugger" and "soccer" (or something very similar) respectively. Eventually the popularity of these terms faded in Britain, but the latter was soon picked up in the U.S. to distinguish the game from what was not being called (American) "football" there (here). Here's an article summarizing a recent academic paper by a University of Michigan kinesiologist, which includes a link to the paper itself:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/06/13/soccer-not-football-_n_5492714.html
I now return you to your regularly scheduled argument.
Regarding (1): The first uniquely American game, between Rutgers University and Princeton University in 1869, was played under a set of rules that resembled a kind of hybrid of association football and rugby football. It soon evolved into a game much more like rugby football, and then eventually into the modern game of "American football." So at least it makes some sense that the name "football" came to be attached to it in the beginning, even though the modern game bears little resemblance to what most of the world calls "football" today.
Regarding (2): It seems that the word "soccer" might actually have been invented by.... Brits. At some point in the distant past, it was at least somewhat popular in Britain to distinguish rugby football from association football via the shortened, informal nicknames of "rugger" and "soccer" (or something very similar) respectively. Eventually the popularity of these terms faded in Britain, but the latter was soon picked up in the U.S. to distinguish the game from what was not being called (American) "football" there (here). Here's an article summarizing a recent academic paper by a University of Michigan kinesiologist, which includes a link to the paper itself:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/06/13/soccer-not-football-_n_5492714.html
I now return you to your regularly scheduled argument.
Seems about right.
Rugby is generally referred to by the code it follows, Rugby Union, Rugby League, Rugby Sevens etc etc. But it should really be referred to as Rugby Football firstly, because it's an adaptation of Football rules (claimed to have originated in the school at Rugby when William Webb Ellis picked up a football and ran with it, but in truth, there were no unified football rules at the time, so it's doubtful it was isolated). As football grew in popularity beyond a school game, setting up leagues etc so that different teams could play each other required a single set of rules, this was Association Football, which as you say, was often referred to as soccer.
Rugby is generally referred to by the code it follows, Rugby Union, Rugby League, Rugby Sevens etc etc. But it should really be referred to as Rugby Football firstly, because it's an adaptation of Football rules (claimed to have originated in the school at Rugby when William Webb Ellis picked up a football and ran with it, but in truth, there were no unified football rules at the time, so it's doubtful it was isolated). As football grew in popularity beyond a school game, setting up leagues etc so that different teams could play each other required a single set of rules, this was Association Football, which as you say, was often referred to as soccer.
