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Fodera Club Part VI

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#584
lowerb said:
+1

Cnltb, you asked for 'em, so here they are: Two little sound files (WAV). I played the Monarch directly into my Boss RC-50. No compression, no other effects, just plain.

1) A little emphasis on the bridge pup: [Invalid or Expired Link Removed]

2) Slap with both pups full and reduced mids: [Invalid or Expired Link Removed]
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Thanks!!
Very nice and very much "signature fodera" sounding . At least to my ear.
 
#586
lowerb said:
+1

Cnltb, you asked for 'em, so here they are: Two little sound files (WAV). I played the Monarch directly into my Boss RC-50. No compression, no other effects, just plain.

1) A little emphasis on the bridge pup: [Invalid or Expired Link Removed]

2) Slap with both pups full and reduced mids: [Invalid or Expired Link Removed]
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Wow, that bass sounds ALIVE!
 
#587
lamarjones said:
Agreed Bernie!

And Rich, awesome bass! I hope mine is basically a light 5 string version of that!
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Thanks! When is yours due again?

basswalker2004 said:
yea man.. I am really curious as well. I wanted to get used to it the was the fellas had it set up first... and now I am ready to experiment... Probably won't touch it before the gig Saturday (one of my rules, don't change anything right before a gig) but may start messing around on Sunday...
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Have a good gig! Let me know what you find if you experiment with the settings. It's so flexible and I'm curious how others are setting it up.

climb said:
Wow, that bass sounds ALIVE!
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+1 Sounds great, and nice playing too!
 
#588
Rich Treat said:
Thanks! When is yours due again?



Have a good gig! Let me know what you find if you experiment with the settings. It's so flexible and I'm curious how others are setting it up.



+1 Sounds great, and nice playing too!
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will do Rich... going to try some different strings as well.. It came with Matt Garrison's, (which although they are lighter than I am used to I really like), however on my Monarch I use DR Lo-riders so I bought a set for the MG to try out..
cheers
 
#589
Okay guys, be gentle because I'm about to ask what is sure to be a dumb question...

I love my emperor, and I'm a big believer in learning to appreciate and enjoy the bass the way it was designed and intended to be by its master builders...

But I got an idea in my head and I cannot seem to push it out -- at least not yet.

Here it is:

I'd like the stacked knobs to be volume - volume knobs, and the pan knob to be the tone control.

With the knobs stacked, I feel like I could control with great detail what I'm getting from my pickups.

For example, a pan knob can give me 70% bridge and 30% neck, but it could never give me 70 - 40, etc.

Is this doable? And is it advisable? And is this the kind of thing that I should only trust to Fodera to do for me if I have it done?

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#590
Tom7 said:
For example, a pan knob can give me 70% bridge and 30% neck, but it could never give me 70 - 40, etc.
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IMO, this is not right. You can get ANY combination with a pan and a volume pot.

For example:

70/30 = pan: 70/30 vol: 80
70/40 = pan: 63.63/36.36 vol:88

It's just simple math. The trick is not to turn the volume up to 100% all the time.

BTW, your bass looks terrific!
 
#591
What are you talking about? I don't understand how those numbers make any sense.

That bass would need to have the preamp (or, rather, at least a section of it) swapped for one set up with vol-vol, as the blend may be on the board. I don't have a bass with the Pope in it (yet), so I can't speak for sure, but I'd be willing to bet that's what is required.
 
#592
Angus said:
What are you talking about? I don't understand how those numbers make any sense.
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May be Tom7 can clear this up soon. :)

This is how I understand it: You are starting with a relation of 70% neck to 30% bridge at a certain volume. Let's assign the value of 80 to the volume. Now he wants to change his sound by turning up the bridge volume form 30 to 40. That actually means, that the bridge pup is now one third louder than before which also results in a higher overall volume. The volume goes up from 70+30 = 100 to 70+40 = 110. When you scale this down to 80 (the arbitrary value we have assigned to the initial volume) you eventually have a volume of 88 (10% increase). The ratio of the pups goes from 70/30 to 70/40 whereas the latter (= 1.75) scaled to 100 is 63.63/36.36.

BTW, I have my Fender Jazz modified the following way: The two volume pots have been replaced by two stacked volume knobs respectively. The tone pot has been replaced by a pull/push-pot. With the latter I can switch between the two stacked volume knobs. This gives me two presets which can be accessed very quickly.
 
#593
lowerb said:
May be Tom7 can clear this up soon. :)

This is how I understand it: You are starting with a relation of 70% neck to 30% bridge at a certain volume. Let's assign the value of 80 to the volume. Now he wants to change his sound by turning up the bridge volume form 30 to 40. That actually means, that the bridge pup is now one third louder than before which also results in a higher overall volume. The volume goes up from 70+30 = 100 to 70+40 = 110. When you scale this down to 80 (the arbitrary value we have assigned to the initial volume) you eventually have a volume of 88 (10% increase). The ratio of the pups goes from 70/30 to 70/40 whereas the latter (= 1.75) scaled to 100 is 63.63/36.36.

BTW, I have my Fender Jazz modified the following way: The two volume pots have been replaced by two stacked volume knobs respectively. The tone pot has been replaced by a pull/push-pot. With the latter I can switch between the two stacked volume knobs. This gives me two presets which can be accessed very quickly.
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Of course you can achieve any ratio of the pickups related to 100%. But 50/50 is probably not the same as to get 100% out of both pickups !

Common balance pots provide the following characteristics:

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In centre detent both ways are slightly attenuated, because the resistors in the stacked pot are effective through the whole turn ! Due to the log curve it is not 50%/50% obviously, but not 100%/100% either. Although it is 50/50 as a ratio...:smug:

To achieve a zero attenuation in the centre position you need special balance pots which are effective only on HALF of the turn. Then you can get full signal out of both pickups - as with a VOL/VOL combo.

As far as I know Joey/Mike use these special pots for the Pope pre, is that true ?
 
#594
mrbassman_de said:
Of course you can achieve any ratio of the pickups related to 100%. But 50/50 is probably not the same as to get 100% out of both pickups !

Common balance pots provide the following characteristics:

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In centre detent both ways are slightly attenuated, because the resistors in the stacked pot are effective through the whole turn ! Due to the log curve it is not 50%/50% obviously, but not 100%/100% either. Although it is 50/50 as a ratio...:smug:

To achieve a zero attenuation in the centre position you need special balance pots which are effective only on HALF of the turn. Then you can get full signal out of both pickups - as with a VOL/VOL combo.

As far as I know Joey/Mike use these special pots for the Pope pre, is that true ?
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True. Special pots. The pickups are both fully on when the balancer is centered.

The primary difference going to vol/vol as compared to vol/bal is the loading on the pickups, as vol/bal is 3 resistive loads and vol/vol is only 2. That said, the way the Fodera preamp is set up, when you're in active mode, the pickups see only balancer and tone before they hit the preamp's input buffer.

There is no way mathamatically to make a vol/bal setup behave the same way as a vol/vol setup given a totally passive environment.

It would take MUCH MORE than your average guitar tech to reverse engineer the preamp in your bass and make everything work right. And I imagine it would void the warranty. I could make you an alternative board that would give you 2 volumes, but you'd be in test pilot land on your own at that point. Reason being, the preamp is very wide bandwidth and low noise as battery powered circuits go. In order to achieve that level of performance, it counts on certain conditions in the source signal to always be present. Given the current design the conditions are always met with all the pickups Fodera uses. In your case they would not always be met.

Long and short is, it's probably not a good idea. The preamp of mine they use in the NYC bass will do volume/volume, but it won't do some of the other things you can do now.
 
#596
That bass sounds terrific! I suspect the very fine playing might be partially responsible. ;-)

lowerb said:
+1

Cnltb, you asked for 'em, so here they are: Two little sound files (WAV). I played the Monarch directly into my Boss RC-50. No compression, no other effects, just plain.

1) A little emphasis on the bridge pup: [Invalid or Expired Link Removed]

2) Slap with both pups full and reduced mids: [Invalid or Expired Link Removed]
Click to expand...
 
#597
The pickup can currently be moved in 1/8" increments. The pickup is about 1 1/4" wide. So I can't get another pickup in another position any closer than 1 1/4" away from the other.

Even the 2 coils are 5/8" apart, and the difference between the 60's and 70's J spacing is 3/8". A 1/4" that close to the end of the string is a tonal HUGE difference. You might not think so, but when you have the luxury of A-B-ing the different positions it becomes iminently clear.
 
#598
thepontif said:
The pickup can currently be moved in 1/8" increments. The pickup is about 1 1/4" wide. So I can't get another pickup in another position any closer than 1 1/4" away from the other.

Even the 2 coils are 5/8" apart, and the difference between the 60's and 70's J spacing is 3/8". A 1/4" that close to the end of the string is a tonal HUGE difference. You might not think so, but when you have the luxury of A-B-ing the different positions it becomes iminently clear.
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Gotcha. I was thinking of something similar, but I was just going to use 2 pickups instead.
 
#600
Can he not just cancle the order,rather than doing the risky ebay thing.?

A sick father sure seems a valid and good enough reason.
And the bass is only due quite some time from now.

Sure they haven't started building it yet(?).
 
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