Unless there was something that specifically provoked the response, I have to imagination that his account job hacked or something. I don't know him or anything, but that is a very strange thing to do.
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Fodera Club Part VI
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Just Thumpin'
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Thanks so much Bryan. Obviously legitimate questions / issues / concerns about ANYTHING Fodera (including pricing) is exactly what this forum is for and I will happily answer all such inquiries to the best of my abilities...even when the truth may not be particularly flattering...
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Mike,
despite all the praise for single coils here, why is the Viceroy equipped with duals?
Really for one reason. There is nothing more irritating to me than a thin, twangy C string. And that's what a C sounds like (to my ears) when you're soloing the bridge PU on a SC bass. Plus the noise factor. I'm not a "light" player when I solo, but I like to use dynamics and when I play soft, the SC noise is an issue.
My solo sound is all about a series wiring with a Duncan Dual coil with a single fat magnet under the C string. In spite of the fact that I adore the sound of singles, I have not figured out a way to have the best of those two worlds. Since duals are an "identity" issue for me, and singles are a "functional" issue for me, I have to opt for the duals.
Like Jason says, they have things they do that only they do.
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Thanks!
What would have to be done to a stacked pickup ,even in theory, if one wanted to try it?
A pickup wired directly to the socket and no electronics whatsoever...(and if you think a stacked, even though it has the narrow aperture and only one "line" of magnets sees the string,won't do it,how come?)
Trust me, I've been through this...you're beating a dead horse.
The stacked paradigm won't work for 3 reasons...
1) In spite of the fact that there is only one line of magnets, and one coil near the strings, the fact still remains that the "hum cancelling" coil still picks up some of the sound of the string...mostly really etherial sounding high endy stuff...and all of that stuff that is present in both coils get's cancelled, which kills most of that open and present beauty of a single coil pickup.
2) The string sensing coil has to be wound much "colder" because there just isn't room for the same number windings as a full-on single coil pickup.
3) The two coils have to be passively connected to one another which means they load each other which changes the inherent characteristics of both of them.
The only way to do it is to have a coil that is absolutely, 100% isolated from anything the strings are doing, but still picks up the hum in exactly the same orientation and phase as the string sensing pickup, then sum the two coils actively so there is no loading. This is WAY more complicated than it seems, but it probably can be done.
If you take the old dummy coil version of the duals and listen to just the dummy coil, you'd be shocked at how much you still hear coming through the amp. Magnetic pickup technology is CRUDE and it's the "messy" parts of it that make it so juicy sounding.
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Mike,
I've switched the wiring in my bass to series....wow, I really like it, and think its gonna stay that way! Thx!
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Series is great for soloing the neck pup too. Add some low mids and roll of the passive tone a bit and you can get a pretty good P sound.
Thanks for the explanation!
What is the negative in this coil that is wound "colder"?
Doesn't this just mean that one may get less output signal?
In consequence...
If I want a tone as open as possible but only want one pickup and no electronics at all wired directly do the socket( like gary willis used to do, If I was informed correctly), you would say that a double coil pickup would be the way to go(or maybe a split coil...to get the narrow aperture?),given that a singlecoil might/would be noisy to record with?
I don't think this is relevant when it's a comment by another builder. I thought it showed a lack of class if it was indeed Ray.
+1
Plus...as long as people are buying your product, those people do obviously not think that it is too expensive.
On the other side ...it's one man's opinion.
He may have expressed it a little bluntly, but hey...it's his opinion.
Shouldn't be made into a big deal I think.
Just Thumpin'
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I meant "legitimate" inquiries...that is why my response to his post was somewhat tongue and cheek. I actually think that it was either a mistake or someone else using his account. That would be like me going into another builder-related thread out of nowhere and posting a flame...it just makes no sense whatsoever...
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Not just lower output. It will simply sound different. A stack will work, and I think they sound ok. Not amazing, but good. And they don't hum. I think Jason has said that he prefers linear humbuckers. I don't have any experience with them, and I don't think you can do that on a 5 string....but don't quote me on that.
Having a narrow aperature is a huge part of the single coil sound. Even the SD duals that had the dummy coils sounded MUCH more like a single coil PU when run humbucking than the current duals do. The current duals don't sound anything like a single coil PU when in humbucking mode, actually. The dummies resemble it. Tonally they are nearly identical, but the transparency and upper extension/air just isn't there. I would tend to think that a linear humbucker WOULD in fact be a better choice, though I don't have first-hand experience with them.
Thanks again!
It is not a single coil sound per se that I am after.
Just the sound of my bass, as openly as possible.
Many pickups seem "too hot" to my ear and too "imposing",if that makes sense.
These "hot" Pickups seem to often get rather midrangey and muddy quite quickly to my ear.
String pull also seems an issue quite often.
I want to hear the same bass plugged in as the one I am playing when it is unplugged.
And as few harmonics killed as possible.
So For some reason this tells me that a pickup should have fairly weak magnets and few windings and narrow aperture to get as open a tone as can,from the instrument.
next issues are ,of course, magnet material, wire gauge,wire material,potted vs. non potted etc...
It is not a single coil sound per se that I am after.
Just the sound of my bass, as openly as possible.
Many pickups seem "too hot" to my ear and too "imposing",if that makes sense.
These "hot" Pickups seem to often get rather midrangey and muddy quite quickly to my ear.
String pull also seems an issue quite often.
I want to hear the same bass plugged in as the one I am playing when it is unplugged.
And as few harmonics killed as possible.
So For some reason this tells me that a pickup should have fairly weak magnets and few windings and narrow aperture to get as open a tone as can,from the instrument.
next issues are ,of course, magnet material, wire gauge,wire material,potted vs. non potted etc...
Garey/Mike,
is the switch over to series a simple jumper switch change... Sounds like it would be fun to try.
thanks
Guy
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Parallel sounds more nearly like single coil from the standpoint of frequency response, though tonally it's much different. Series has a fatter, meatier kind of sound to it with a pronouced "bump" in the lows, a depressed upper midrange, but retains some highs.
Generally speaking, it's fatter and might be a bit less "punchy" that parallel.
The output of a dual coil wired in series is 6dB hotter than parallel or single coil. There is also an increase in noise, but not hum. If you add a lot of treble the buzz might bother you.
Generally speaking, it's fatter and might be a bit less "punchy" that parallel.
The output of a dual coil wired in series is 6dB hotter than parallel or single coil. There is also an increase in noise, but not hum. If you add a lot of treble the buzz might bother you.
Did Ray Rogers come in here and trash the Fodera guys? If so, I don't think it was someone "hacking" his account. I've heard him talk trash regarding their stuff for years. Really "strong opinions" to say the least.
Kind of ironic given his basses are basically attempted direct copies.
Kind of ironic given his basses are basically attempted direct copies.
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Well no matter what you do, a magnetic pickup...by it's nature...will give you very harmonically biased sound. Maybe you want to try a piezo thing? On a solid body bass I don't have time for it, but on the semi-hollow basses I've played with the...like Matt Garisson's acoustic-electric...they are pretty killing, actually.
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