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Fodera Club Part XX

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This was true originally -- with early versions of the Duncan Dual Coils, but over time and with additional tweaking Joey and the folks at Seymour Duncan changed that philosophy and really focused on maximizing the single-coil sound. In so doing we think that the dual coils sound better all around.

I personally play my basses in single coil mode 90% of the time and true, they are not as tonally "perfect" as true single coils, but that delta has come way, way down. So much so, that I am willing to sacrifice the small tonal difference between dual coils in single coil mode and true single coils for the flexibility that the dual coils provide.

IME, of course.

J

narud said:
yeah, but youre ideally winding each coil to sound best as a humbucking pair. its one of the reasons why when split, they dont sound as good as straight singles. are we just talking about a one dual being hotter than the other?

i loved the duncan duals as a humbucking pickup. one of my favorites out there. split to single was pretty thin though. didnt really dig it. the aeros they used to use sounded much better in single coil mode but i didnt like the humbucking sound as much. the ability to split the duncans seemed like something you can do but the coils were wound to sound best as a whole.
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#783
The Duncans fall right in the middle of the 60's and 70's Foderas.

Yes, both the M4S and E5S have 70's spaced PUP's that are 60's wound...

Jason

basses55 said:
Jason, I was wondering a few things re the pups in regards to your post below:

1. Are the Duncan DCs closer to your Fodera Standard's 60s wind, or 70s wind? Where do they fall in comparison tonally?

2. Forgive me if I've missed it somewhere- are both the Emperor and Monarch Standards 70s spacing or 60s?

Thanks-
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#784
Just Thumpin' said:
All four models of our dual coil pickups are based on Fender-style pickups. They are each merely two Fender-style single coils next to one another.

J
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If they were just two jazz bass pickups stuck together, it doesn't seem like the aperture would be as narrow between the two coils as they are on the Duncan duals. The duals in the emg shells look like they could be two j bass pickups side by side with their wider aperture
 
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Just Thumpin' said:
This was true originally -- with early versions of the Duncan Dual Coils, but over time and with additional tweaking Joey and the folks at Seymour Duncan changed that philosophy and really focused on maximizing the single-coil sound. In so doing we think that the dual coils sound better all around.

I personally play my basses in single coil mode 90% of the time and true, they are not as tonally "perfect" as true single coils, but that delta has come way, way down. So much so, that I am willing to sacrifice the small tonal difference between dual coils in single coil mode and true single coils for the flexibility that the dual coils provide.

IME, of course.

J
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Man the Duncan duals in all the foderas I've owned sounded absolutely amazing. I probably wouldn't dig the changes! Someone posted a YouTube vid of their monarch standard with the duals split to single and I didn't think it really had a fender vibe at all. Pretty thin sounding. Do those come with fodera or Duncan duals?
 
#786
gridchin said:
Model: Emperor 6 Bolt-On (Viceroy shape)
Top Wood: Holly (solid)
Body Wood: Alder
Fingerboard Wood: Birdseye Maple
Neck Wood: 3-pc Hard Rock Maple
Scale Length: 34" (Extended Low-B)
Strings spacing: 17.5mm
Frets:24 (Large)
FB Inlay: Abalone Blocks
Pickups: Fodera / Duncan Dual Coils in TK position
Preamp: Fodera / Pope Custom Shop, 3-Band
Control Layout: Matt G Layout

By the way, Happy Birthday!!! :D
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Wow! It's gonna be wild. Thanks:)
 
#787
But they are two jazz PUP's...

J

narud said:
If they were just two jazz bass pickups stuck together, it doesn't seem like the aperture would be as narrow between the two coils as they are on the Duncan duals. The duals in the emg shells look like they could be two j bass pickups side by side with their wider aperture
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#788
Narud --

Any chance that you can come and visit us in the shop? It would be great to give you the chance to go through all of our current gear. I think you'd enjoy the experience.

In therms of the M4S, I have a lot of personal experience with them. They are Fodera Dual Coils and they sound pretty great in Single-coil mode. I can cop a pretty wonderful Fender vibe with them. I am always wary of using YouTube as a reference point. I prefer to play the instruments myself so that I can dial things in in a way that's right for me.

J

narud said:
Man the Duncan duals in all the foderas I've owned sounded absolutely amazing. I probably wouldn't dig the changes! Someone posted a YouTube vid of their monarch standard with the duals split to single and I didn't think it really had a fender vibe at all. Pretty thin sounding. Do those come with fodera or Duncan duals?
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#789
My experience with dual coils is similar to narud's. While DC's are just 2 single coils side by side, I thought with most designs, due to the size of the DC, there wasn't enough room to wind each single coil the same amount of turns as is found on typical jazz bass pickups and fit them in the cover. This would be one reason why they don't sound like a good single coil when split.
Jason, do you know roughly how many turns each coil gets in a DC?
 
#791
jim777 said:
Is this a real one? The headstock looks mangled
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Fodera-Tran...e-/221236613317?pt=Guitar&hash=item3382bad0c5
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The NYC models were built in Japan as an entry level model with a jazz bass influence. These were then replaced by the new Standard models now entirely built in Brooklyn NY. They are real Foderas. However if considering buying this one it might be a good idea to check out the serial number on the particular instrument which can give you an idea of when it was made.
 
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Just Thumpin' said:
Narud --

Any chance that you can come and visit us in the shop? It would be great to give you the chance to go through all of our current gear. I think you'd enjoy the experience.

In therms of the M4S, I have a lot of personal experience with them. They are Fodera Dual Coils and they sound pretty great in Single-coil mode. I can cop a pretty wonderful Fender vibe with them. I am always wary of using YouTube as a reference point. I prefer to play the instruments myself so that I can dial things in in a way that's right for me.

J
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if im ever on that coast im sure i would love it.

in regards to youtube, theres definitely enough representation to hear whether or not something cops a certain sound or not. especially with guys and their at home bass demos.
 
#793
Just Thumpin' said:
But they are two jazz PUP's...

J
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well, any dual coil humbucker is just two single coils, but my point was that im sure duncan didnt just take two of their existing jazz bass pickups, stick em together and call it a day. something had to go into making that such a great humbucking pickup. i remember watching an interview with gary willis where he talked about sticking two jazz bass pickups side by side and how bad it sounded.
 
#795
Absolutely...a lot of years and a lot of ears. Joey, Vinny, lots of Fodera artists and Seymour Duncan's custom shop team refined them over a period of many, many years.

J

narud said:
well, any dual coil humbucker is just two single coils, but my point was that im sure duncan didnt just take two of their existing jazz bass pickups, stick em together and call it a day. something had to go into making that such a great humbucking pickup. i remember watching an interview with gary willis where he talked about sticking two jazz bass pickups side by side and how bad it sounded.
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SRFSterling5 said:
The NYC models were built in Japan as an entry level model with a jazz bass influence. These were then replaced by the new Standard models now entirely built in Brooklyn NY. They are real Foderas. However if considering buying this one it might be a good idea to check out the serial number on the particular instrument which can give you an idea of when it was made.
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I'm very familiar with the NYC line of instruments and their provenance. As I said, the headstock on this instrument looks mangled and sloppily cut, thus my question as to whether or not it might be a knock off or copy.
 
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