Fodera Imperial Elite 5-String Available!

[Brad Johnson]

The fodera bold ons are not too dissimilar in terms of building process, are they?

Who is building their bodies and necks for them? I wasn't talking about their NYC models, the majority of what they're known for are not Jazz clones. And if you think those and Sadowskys involve the same build process...

I said: "Entirely different build process... not really a good example IMO. Not saying one or the other is better but they are most definitely different".

So of course someone wants to take it and run with it.

 

[cnltb]

Who is building their bodies and necks for them? I wasn't talking about their NYC models, the majority of what they're known for are not Jazz clones. And if you think those and Sadowskys involve the same build process...

I said: "Entirely different build process... not really a good example IMO. Not saying one or the other is better but they are most definitely different".

So of course someone wants to take it and run with it.

The "who " doesn't come into it when talking about build process, which in the case of the nyc basses is not "Entitrly different" to sadovsky basses, I imagine.
The NYCs are Foderas too,no?
And if a generalizing statement such as yours is made, no surprise that someone picks up on it, is it?

 

[rodneyat]

The "who " doesn't come into it when talking about build process, which in the case of the nyc basses is not "Entitrly different" to sadovsky basses, I imagine.
The NYCs are Foderas too,no?
And if a generalizing statement such as yours is made, no surprise that someone picks up on it, is it?

For Fodera, the build process is entirely different for the NYC Empire basses. If you walk into the Fodera shop, you are not going to see anyone cutting or finishing an NYC Empire bass. They get the bodies and necks already done and then assemble them in the shop. Radically different than their Monarch, Emperor etc. Which are done in house.

 

[cnltb]

For Fodera, the build process is entirely different for the NYC Empire basses. If you walk into the Fodera shop, you are not going to see anyone cutting or finishing an NYC Empire bass. They get the bodies and necks already done and then assemble them in the shop. Radically different than their Monarch, Emperor etc. Which are done in house.

BUILDING PROCESS is what we are talking about, not, about where the building is executed or who may be involved. And as far as I'm aware the processes in building a sadowsky is not entirelly different to that involved in building those particular Foderas.
The differences between the nyc basses and other foderas are fairly obvious I think and were not the issue. -Unless I missed something.

That was my point.
Whether this partial of this thread is in anyway relevant to the initial point is anothere question. I personally doubt it.

 

[Kevin Freeby]

Jep! Spec?

Will you be selling the Imperial then?

Never!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Just Thumpin']

If I may, I think that a lot of these comments are being made by people that have never dealt with Fodera, that don't own a Fodera, and sounds like they never will. That's fine. I'm sorry to hear that some people have had bad experiences, but I can speak from personal experience, and everything has pretty much been the complete opposite of these horror stories. They have taken extremely good care of me since I was a 22 year old kid teaching at Bass Alone and found a magnificent Imperial 5 string on the wall(a customer cancellation). I told the original owner of the shop that no bass was worth that amount of money and then I played it. I fell in love immediately and lusted after it for weeks(or months) finally John sold it to me (for a ridiculously low price) and let me pay payments to him. I have since sold every other bass that I've owned and that Imperial is my one and only. Until tomorrow when my 6 string Fodera arrives!!!! This will be the only bass that I will have purchased since that Imperial, 6 years ago (maybe that's because I'm a professional musician and that's all that I can afford). I've waited 2 years and gone through all of the ups and downs but in the end it's all worth it. If you've ever played one you know. One problem could be that people aren't dealing with them directly and when you are getting your information third hand or more, there usually are some miscommunications. Thats why I do things myself, you never know how things are being conveyed between sources. By the way it's almost a year for a truly custom Fender bass. I know my student just got his.

I completely agree with Kevin again. I hear all of these horror stories about Fodera and yet in my personal dealings with them they have been nothing short of amazing IN EVERY POSSIBLE WAY. Again, I am no one special from a bass world perspective.

I have owned my own business for 13 years and at one point had 70 employees working for me. In my experience Joey, Vinny and Martha could well be a case study in building brand loyalty and customer service.

One more piece of advice for all of the "I have waited forever and I cannot stand it any longer" crowd -- Ask for your money back. Get a refund. Walk away. No one is compelling you to buy a Fodera and certainly if you worked with a reputable dealer and were promised a bass in one year and it has been 3 you are more than entitled to a refund...

 

[narud]

I completely agree with Kevin again. I hear all of these horror stories about Fodera and yet in my personal dealings with them they have been nothing short of amazing IN EVERY POSSIBLE WAY. Again, I am no one special from a bass world perspective.

i love my bass and aint ever gettin' rid of it, but just because these things havent happened to you personally doesnt mean there isnt some weird stuff going on. before anything happened with my purchase, i was the same way. anytime anyone brought up any build or cosmetic issues with a fodera i went on defense a little. years later, i realize i was guilty of just defending all the money i just put down on an order. at this point, i realize there are many other builders that can build something that feels and sounds just as good. its pretty easy to get caught up in the mystique of a builder whether we realize we're doing it or not.

 

[Just Thumpin']

i love my bass and aint ever gettin' rid of it, but just because these things havent happened to you personally doesnt mean there isnt some weird stuff going on. before anything happened with my purchase, i was the same way. anytime anyone brought up any build or cosmetic issues with a fodera i went on defense a little. years later, i realize i was guilty of just defending all the money i just put down on an order. at this point, i realize there are many other builders that can build something that feels and sounds just as good. its pretty easy to get caught up in the mystique of a builder whether we realize we're doing it or not.

I hear you and respct your points, but I don't agree. I don't think that I am defending Fodera in any way because I want to justify money I've spent. Heck, I was responsible buying $2 million worth of Siemens equipment in my business but I will flat out tell you that they are a scummy company to deal with. I would do the same thing with Fodera if I had any issues with them.

However, every chance I have had for them to do right by me they have come through in a huge way. Far beyond what they had to do. Hopefully I will never experience the horror stories others have. Cheers.

 

[Brad Johnson]

The "who " doesn't come into it when talking about build process, which in the case of the nyc basses is not "Entitrly different" to sadovsky basses, I imagine.

The "who", "what", "where", "why" and "how" all come into play when talking about the build process. If you don't understand that, fine.

The NYCs are Foderas too,no?
And if a generalizing statement such as yours is made, no surprise that someone picks up on it, is it?

Sure, someone who needs to miss an obvious point. No surprise at all. It was expected.

 

[Brad Johnson]

BUILDING PROCESS is what we are talking about, not, about where the building is executed or who may be involved. And as far as I'm aware the processes in building a sadowsky is not entirelly different to that involved in building those particular Foderas.
The differences between the nyc basses and other foderas are fairly obvious I think and were not the issue. -Unless I missed something.

That's only because you choose to ignore the obvious. If you think that even the facilities involved aren't different...

If I go into detail no doubt someone will get panties wadded as it'll be seen as a criticism vs. the simple observation it was all along. I guess THAT was the point anyway.

That was my point.
Whether this partial of this thread is in anyway relevant to the initial point is anothere question. I personally doubt it.

If you'd read it in context, way back in the thread, it was relevant. Of course now that it's been pulled out of context and played with...

 

[cnltb]

That's only because you choose to ignore the obvious. If you think that even the facilities involved aren't different...

If I go into detail no doubt someone will get panties wadded as it'll be seen as a criticism vs. the simple observation it was all along. I guess THAT was the point anyway.



If you'd read it in context, way back in the thread, it was relevant. Of course now that it's been pulled out of context and played with...

I did not ignore anything and was not the one who originated this tangent.
I asked one question for clarification(in post#179) when building process was addressed and people either were not reading every word of posts the answered or chose to ignore certain ones. This I think started this tangent, at that point, the "discussion was not more "out of context" than it is now.

Never mind...

 

[Steve Clark]

I couldn't resist.

 

[cnltb]

I couldn't resist.

HHOORRAAYY!!!

 

[Brad Johnson]

I did not ignore anything and was not the one who originated this tangent. I asked one question for clarification(in post#179) when building process was addressed and people either were not reading every word of posts the answered or chose to ignore certain ones. This I think started this tangent, at that point, the "discussion was not more "out of context" than it is now.

Never mind...

Really.


Fodera is taking raw materials at their build site and making bodies, necks, pickup covers, etc. They are finishing basses in-house.

And apparently you think Sadowsky is too.

 

[Munjibunga]

Really.

This is quite amusing. One of the topics that came up at the NYC GTG was Brad's obsessive need to always have the last word, without fail.

 

[Brad Johnson]

This is quite amusing. One of the topics that came up at the NYC GTG was Brad's obsessive need to always have the last word, without fail.

Like I care. Guess you guys had nothing better to talk about. Did the obsessive nature of Sadowsky owners also come up? Too "inside"?

 

[FL Knifemaker]

This is quite amusing. One of the topics that came up at the NYC GTG was Brad's obsessive need to always have the last word, without fail.

I can't type fast enough to keep up with the ever changing topic of this thread. Yesterday, it started off so nice and simple too

 

[Munjibunga]

That was pretty pointless quoting me just to do that. And it's still a different build process from Fodera. YMMV

And who would know more about pointlessness?

 

[cnltb]

Really.


Fodera is taking raw materials at their build site and making bodies, necks, pickup covers, etc. They are finishing basses in-house.

And apparently you think Sadowsky is too.

I always thought that the process describes what is done with those raw materials and not so much who does it or where it is done.
But I may be wrong.

One question to you brad.
Do you think we're getting somewhere?,
Because I doubt it.
I may pop in again around page 20 or so, but just for now, I'll leave you to it.
( and I am still not really sure as to how the processes involved in building the nyc foderas are so different from those involved in sadowskys apart from sadowskys being partially hollow, or does that go for nycs too...hhmmm well...never mind)

 

[gruuv]

Come on, guys. . .