So if take Funk U from my laptop in Europe I would be more stiff than if I took the lessons in Africa? Sorry just trying to understand the massive derail, and it's logic.
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Funk University Disappointment
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Of course .... if someone could now flush the toilet that this thread has become.
JAUQO III-X
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What's wrong? Feeling guilty?Excellent.... we've brought up race .... this thread is really productive.
We're talking about African music, and then somebody felt the need to post Euro music as if it's gonna have anywhere near the same feel and pulse as funk.
That Euro pop stuff is as white as a sheet, face it - you know it's true.
No need to get all cerebral with this stuff.
Like Jauqo says: don't be hatin' just because some of us find some music to be stiff.
THIS is funky.
What I meant by my "white" comment is simply this:
It's obvious some of y'all are desperate for a Euro connection in this music called funk.
Give it up - it ain't there.
Watch this video, see how they're moving out in the crowd? That's the funk - that's the motion. You ain't gonna get that from some Euro pop or really any other Euro-influenced music.
Like Bootsy says: "Free your mind and your booty will follow". Or something like that.
What I meant by my "white" comment is simply this:
It's obvious some of y'all are desperate for a Euro connection in this music called funk.
Give it up - it ain't there.
Watch this video, see how they're moving out in the crowd? That's the funk - that's the motion. You ain't gonna get that from some Euro pop or really any other Euro-influenced music.
Like Bootsy says: "Free your mind and your booty will follow". Or something like that.
You're really desperate to stir the pot, aren't you?
I'm white as a sheet by the way.
But I'm not so arrogant as to try and impose my culture and my influences on the Funk.
If I were to join Funk U, and I may just do that - I will submit fully to the instruction and not try and bring my notion of what Funk is into the picture.
No hate here at all!!
I am just allergic to generalisations and the matter-of-fact kind of way the statements to which I responded were made, and the lack of back up info.
But most certainly no hate at this end!
Could we please just take any racially based notions, no matter how well-intended (or not), how well-put (or not) OUT of this conversation altogether???
A.) Everything is gonna go to heck. And you think you've seen "productive" discussion before now? Just wait...
B.) the thread is gonna be shut down, like immediately, I suspect.
A.) Everything is gonna go to heck. And you think you've seen "productive" discussion before now? Just wait...
B.) the thread is gonna be shut down, like immediately, I suspect.
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I'm saying what I said before:
the cool thing about music--as the muse that motivates us to sweat blood to learn it and perform it--is that it transcends ethnic identity.
First of all, I never said anything about race.
I said that EuroPop music was white.
White is a color, not a race.
If I want to call music white in order to convey a notion, I will do it.
If you think that there is something racial involved in that, that is your problem and not mine.
And don't you think it's a bit disingenuous to start talking about "transcending ethnic identity" after there have been 2 full pages of people discussing European ethnic identity and influence on music? Now all of a sudden there is this perception of race, and allegations of "racial undertones", and NOW you want to suddenly talk about "transcending ethnic identity".
What a load.
I said that EuroPop music was white.
White is a color, not a race.
If I want to call music white in order to convey a notion, I will do it.
If you think that there is something racial involved in that, that is your problem and not mine.
And don't you think it's a bit disingenuous to start talking about "transcending ethnic identity" after there have been 2 full pages of people discussing European ethnic identity and influence on music? Now all of a sudden there is this perception of race, and allegations of "racial undertones", and NOW you want to suddenly talk about "transcending ethnic identity".
What a load.
bongomania
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No, what you meant by it is you're racist as hell, no matter what your skin color is. The Euro connection is obvious and easily proven, and has been proven repeatedly. On the flip side, you have people just saying "no it ain't, nyah nyah, look it up, the rhythm is black/African".
The only people "desperate" in this thread are ones so stuck in their dogma and racism that they can't acknowledge the clear and obvious influences that these large (and world-traveling) musical cultures have had on each other.
x2 The term melting pot doesn't solely apply to eurpoeans that came to America, all american culture and art are amalgamations of everything that has come before it.
Whoa. I was the guy who used the phrase about music transcending ethnic identity. And it looks like you misunderstood my meaning there. Please review it, in context.
I hope to G*d that FU has some faculty who're a little better educated than to think R&B or even Funk is just African rhythms. That's really really short-changing the great work of early-mid 20th century black American musicians.
As far as stiffness goes, I think a lot of that charge to European music (as if that were a unified genre) comes from good ole' Martin Luther and his nasty letter attached to the church door.
That quashed a lot of the good that was happening in religious music up to that point, which of course influenced the formal music. But people still had their dance music, and a prohibition never lasts too long.
As far as stiffness goes, I think a lot of that charge to European music (as if that were a unified genre) comes from good ole' Martin Luther and his nasty letter attached to the church door.
That quashed a lot of the good that was happening in religious music up to that point, which of course influenced the formal music. But people still had their dance music, and a prohibition never lasts too long.
What's wrong? Feeling guilty?
We're talking about African music, and then somebody felt the need to post Euro music as if it's gonna have anywhere near the same feel and pulse as funk.
That Euro pop stuff is as white as a sheet, face it - you know it's true.
No need to get all cerebral with this stuff.
Like Jauqo says: don't be hatin' just because some of us find some music to be stiff.
Nothing to feel guilty about at all
We should be talking about FU
Call European music what you want, but you know how things are gonna go here on the net so the less inflammatory you can be the better ... once again this thread is about FU
No hate at all, people feel music as they do .... I have backed many old school (black and white) Blues artists (Toni Lynn Washington, Big Jack Johnson, Sherman Robertson for those that need me to name drop) that were/are part of the scene ... never have any one of them mentioned race or the 'whiteness' or 'blackness' of anyone's playing whether they liked them or not. My name of Scandinavian descent may trigger 'cracker' in your mind, and has with European promoters looking for the 'real thing'. All the artists I work with have always had my back on race issues and have been around the world on the best stages because I can play. I certainly don't consider myself at all blacker or funkier than anyone else ... I'm white, who cares?
Well, I guess that's the whole point right there. ALL American music is Euro influenced (and, for a good while now, vice versa). How could it not be?
I have a feeling that this thread, while well intended, is going to be closed due to the interesting albeit heated tangential debates and personal attacks. Is Funk University a disappointment for those who have enrolled and if so, why? Let's right this ship!
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