Future Impact now available!! WAS: deep impact reissue!!! interested?

[golem]

I took a look at the setlist file:
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<snip>
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48 ;
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2 ;
0 ;
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<snip>
2 ;
47 ;
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So VA is 0 and FM is 2
Small bug in between first FM at 5.1 and 52 then 5.3 so it's mixed-up and should be 5.1, 5.2 and 5.3.


Nice that it's human readable and easy to edit.

I would probably have made it like this:
0,0
0,1
<snip>
0,48
0,49
<snip>
2,0
2,1
<snip>
2,47
2,48

This way you could just make a csv file form any spreadsheet editor, but to each their own.

I mean you still can but it's not worth it since using copy/paste drag down would be cumbersome, so just any text editor would do just fine.

 

[Quatschmacher]

I took a look at the setlist file:
0 ;
0 ;
0 ;
1 ;
0 ;
2 ;
0 ;
3 ;
<snip>
0 ;
48 ;
0 ;
49 ;
2 ;
0 ;
0 ;
1 ;
2 ;
2 ;
2 ;
3 ;
<snip>
2 ;
47 ;
2 ;
48 ;

So VA is 0 and FM is 2
Small bug in between first FM at 5.1 and 52 then 5.3 so it's mixed-up and should be 5.1, 5.2 and 5.3.


Nice that it's human readable and easy to edit.

I would probably have made it like this:
0,0
0,1
<snip>
0,48
0,49
<snip>
2,0
2,1
<snip>
2,47
2,48

This way you could just make a csv file form any spreadsheet editor, but to each their own.

I mean you still can but it's not worth it since using copy/paste drag down would be cumbersome, so just any text editor would do just fine.

You’ve now entered territory I have no idea about. If you suspect a bug, report it to Panda support.

 

[golem]

You’ve now entered territory I have no idea about. If you suspect a bug, report it to Panda support.

Org.
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Better
0,0
0,1
0,2

search bug org. ...
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2 ;

?!

search bug better:
0,0
1,0 <--- Bug
0,2

better ok
0,0
0,1
0,2

new same better search:
0,0
2,1
0,2

new same org. search.
0 ;
0 ;
2 ;
1 ;
0 ;
2 ;

?!

So is better ...

These copy/paste setlist issues could due to a more cumbersome setlist file structure, so with are more user friendly format is would also more visually clear. I have made systems that use csv and json files before so just trying to help.

Should I report the bug or can the post just be linked?

 

[Quatschmacher]

Org.
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Better
0,0
0,1
0,2

search bug org. ...
0 ;
0 ;
1 ;
0 ;
0 ;
2 ;

?!

search bug better:
0,0
1,0 <--- Bug
0,2

better ok
0,0
0,1
0,2

new same better search:
0,0
2,1
0,2

new same org. search.
0 ;
0 ;
2 ;
1 ;
0 ;
2 ;

?!

So is better ...

These copy/paste setlist issues could due to a more cumbersome setlist file structure, so with are more user friendly format is would also more visually clear. I have made systems that use csv and json files before so just trying to help.

Should I report the bug or can the post just be linked?

Best to email it through.

 

[jbybj]

You’ve now entered territory I have no idea about.

Just when I thought that the world couldn’t get any scarier……

 

[Andras Szalay]

Sorry for publishing the upgrade while it was not quite complete (MAC editor and browser updater not published), but we had to hurry because the first new customers already got their devices with 4.51, and they did not have proper instruction for the upgrade. Now the MAC editor and the browser updater are also ready, available. I have to mention a "bug" (not really bug) in the PC editor: the addendum that is embedded in the editor is not the most recent one, so please use the standalone addendum from the web page. We will update this soon.

 

[MattiZ]

Is there a minimum system requirement for Mac, for firmware update? My macOS is 10.14.6.

Following all directions exactly, I can only get 25% completed before update process freezes. I succeeded installing editor v.4.51, but no luck with firmware installation so far. Tried two different sets of midi cables. Any ideas?

 

[nedvigbendeguz]

Example of switch pedal for program down and sustain on my T-Rex ToneTrunk 56 Pedalboard
View attachment 7492752

Temporary setup on my synth/octave Pedalboard

Great setup! Three questions:

1, Is there any rational explanation for having all those pedals on one board? Or is it for experimenting, and comparison?
2, What cables did you use to connect the switch to the FI?
3, Do yo need to hold the freeze until you want to freeze or is it one tap freeze, next tap release? Is there a way to use it as the latter?

Thx

 

[golem]

Great setup! Three questions:

1, Is there any rational explanation for having all those pedals on one board? Or is it for experimenting, and comparison?
2, What cables did you use to connect the switch to the FI?
3, Do yo need to hold the freeze until you want to freeze or is it one tap freeze, next tap release? Is there a way to use it as the latter?

Thx

1. I have 2 active boards I use (always somewhat in "flux" as new stuff comes in)

1st board
Buttom row:
- A/B Switcher (Passive)
- TC Electronic PolyTune 3
- Electro-Harmonix Bass Mono Synth
- Panda Audio Future Impact V4 VIP
- MXR MB301 Bass Synth

Under board
Panda Audio midiBeam 4Control (20mA@5V)
So an extra 9V to 5V USB buck converter

Top row:
- Digitech Bass Whammy
- Boss EV-30 Dual Expression
- Emma DiscumBOBulator
- Electro-Harmonix POG2


2nd board Dirt/modulation/DI


In my 4 peace alternative rock band I recently have to replicate a Juno 106 and other synth bass sounds.
I bought an EHX Mono Synth years ago (prior to Juno in our band), but it's to glitchy and niche to use, so gave up on it.
Now I just wanna replicate sounds from it, so it's still on my board for now.
The MXR took ½ year to arrive .
The FI V4 VIP was on sale and I also wanted one for a long time, so since FM also was on the horizon I thought ... lets go....

For me the MXR tracks better on my 5-strings and I can play completely free even on my fretless, has a more harsh and simple sound.
The FI V4 VIP FW 4.51 needs more control, but has more complex and smoother sounds. I still get glitches I cannot explain and it's somewhat more difficult to dial in. It's much less forgiving when playing fast (I know how to mute my strings).

2. The MXR has expression and can have freeze or preset UP built-in (plus down with external switch). Anything the Future Impact does extra needs MIDI and so I have the Panda Audio midiBeam 4Control for expression, Down and freeze.


3. Any switch in this regard is momentary and as such you need to press for holding the freeze. This is mostly, if not all, how others work as well. Technically you could exchange a momentary switch to a latching one, but it wouldn't make the use case for even 0.1% of people.

But to this "one tap freeze, next tap release" that's a latching setup or non-momentary, I forgot the exact name, since we just call the switches So yes you could exchange the momentary switch for a normal one.

I also have a EHX Superego+ that does an auto latching freeze while you play, so you don't press anything, that's another way.
But you have to keep in mind the differences in freeze of an shapes envelope part and time sample as explained in prior page.
By having the Freeze in the pedal you can still have movement in sound, so it will not be "stationary" as with a sample.

Did I leave something out?

 

[sunbeast]

1. I have 2 active boards I use (always somewhat in "flux" as new stuff comes in)

1st board
Buttom row:
- A/B Switcher (Passive)
- TC Electronic PolyTune 3
- Electro-Harmonix Bass Mono Synth
- Panda Audio Future Impact V4 VIP
- MXR MB301 Bass Synth

Under board
Panda Audio midiBeam 4Control (20mA@5V)
So an extra 9V to 5V USB buck converter

Top row:
- Digitech Bass Whammy
- Boss EV-30 Dual Expression
- Emma DiscumBOBulator
- Electro-Harmonix POG2


2nd board Dirt/modulation/DI


In my 4 peace alternative rock band I recently have to replicate a Juno 106 and other synth bass sounds.
I bought an EHX Mono Synth years ago (prior to Juno in our band), but it's to glitchy and niche to use, so gave up on it.
Now I just wanna replicate sounds from it, so it's still on my board for now.
The MXR took ½ year to arrive .
The FI V4 VIP was on sale and I also wanted one for a long time, so since FM also was on the horizon I thought ... lets go....

For me the MXR tracks better on my 5-strings and I can play completely free even on my fretless, has a more harsh and simple sound.
The FI V4 VIP FW 4.51 needs more control, but has more complex and smoother sounds. I still get glitches I cannot explain and it's somewhat more difficult to dial in. It's much less forgiving when playing fast (I know how to mute my strings).

2. The MXR has expression and can have freeze or preset UP built-in (plus down with external switch). Anything the Future Impact does extra needs MIDI and so I have the Panda Audio midiBeam 4Control for expression, Down and freeze.


3. Any switch in this regard is momentary and as such you need to press for holding the freeze. This is mostly, if not all, how others work as well. Technically you could exchange a momentary switch to a latching one, but it wouldn't make the use case for even 0.1% of people.

But to this "one tap freeze, next tap release" that's a latching setup or non-momentary, I forgot the exact name, since we just call the switches So yes you could exchange the momentary switch for a normal one.

I also have a EHX Superego+ that does an auto latching freeze while you play, so you don't press anything, that's another way.
But you have to keep in mind the differences in freeze of an shapes envelope part and time sample as explained in prior page.
By having the Freeze in the pedal you can still have movement in sound, so it will not be "stationary" as with a sample.

Did I leave something out?

Have you messed around with the “Note On”, “Note Off”, and “Dynamics” settings on the face of the Future Impact in conjunction with the Input Gain? All of these settings will have an effect on the response and will be somewhat dependent on your playing style (particularly the “note on” setting, as described in the manual). Personally I don’t have any instruments where the MXR tracking works better for me than the Future Impact v4, but obviously there are more settings you may need to tweak to get there!

 

[golem]

Have you messed around with the “Note On”, “Note Off”, and “Dynamics” settings on the face of the Future Impact in conjunction with the Input Gain? All of these settings will have an effect on the response and will be somewhat dependent on your playing style (particularly the “note on” setting, as described in the manual). Personally I don’t have any instruments where the MXR tracking works better for me than the Future Impact v4, but obviously there are more settings you may need to tweak to get there!

oh thx, I will have to look into that, so much to learn for FI

I just run FI stock and set the input and out levels.
Same with the MXR where I just set output levels, never touched anything regarding tracking.
So many complained about it and I have so far never heard one single glitch.
I even recorded a whole song played fretless (Yamaha TRB moded with ebony fretboard and Glockenklang pre, Elixir Nanoweb XL .045-.130tw) with it.
I was seriously positively surprised.

I hope to get rid of the random high pitch glitches (mostly tested on my fretted 5-strings) and that it faster tracks all notes, since sometimes it doesn't catch a note.
I haven't even read about the “Note On”, “Note Off”, and “Dynamics” settings yet.
I kinda expect it just to be good from get go and I can use my time on sounds.

But time to read up and try out, just wish I didn't have to.

 

[sunbeast]

oh thx, I will have to look into that, so much to learn for FI

I just run FI stock and set the input and out levels.
Same with the MXR where I just set output levels, never touched anything regarding tracking.
So many complained about it and I have so far never heard one single glitch.
I even recorded a whole song played fretless (Yamaha TRB moded with ebony fretboard and Glockenklang pre, Elixir Nanoweb XL .045-.130tw) with it.
I was seriously positively surprised.

I hope to get rid of the random high pitch glitches (mostly tested on my fretted 5-strings) and that it faster tracks all notes, since sometimes it doesn't catch a note.
I haven't even read about the “Note On”, “Note Off”, and “Dynamics” settings yet.
I kinda expect it just to be good from get go and I can use my time on sounds.

But time to read up and try out, just wish I didn't have to.

It sounds like you were lucky with the MXR since it lacks much tweakability regarding the tracking. I actually have the best tracking with mine from a couple fretless basses as well (maybe the best tracking is with my NS Design electric upright bass), which may be because of somewhat less "noise" (less high-end or fret noise to mess with the pitch-tracker). It has a Gate setting (which kinda works like the "Note On" setting of the Future Impact) and a built-in compressor and that is it. I find most of my basses work just fine with the MXR, but I have a few that don't work well at all without significant adjustment of how I play. The synth note decay of the MXR on sustained notes is probably its biggest weakness IME, and is not adjustable (the Future Impact has the "Note off" setting as well as a full ADSR amp envelope so notes can sustain as long as you want them to even after the string has gone silent).

The Future Impact is pretty dense with features, definitely worth it IMO to read through the manual and the two addendums to get oriented before settling into a workflow or you are likely to be missing out on important settings and features.

The Future Impact has all the settings I mentioned before, as well as a general tracking-style mode in the computer editor where you have 3 different pitch-tracking options (accuracy, speed, or a new "zero latency" mode which I don't quite understand but claims to be a mix of both of the other options). If you are missing note tracking at times then I suspect your "note on" value is not set low enough for your playing. Adjust that until all your notes, soft and loud, are being tracked (but not so low that you are getting extra notes because the tracking is TOO sensitive). You will need to adjust Input Gain for each bass separately, but may find these other tracking settings can stay the same across different basses once you figure out the right ones for your playing style (unless you tend to play some basses softer than others). The "Speed" tracking mode does a little trick where it hits an immediate note attack on the previous note then changes to the correct pitch when the pitch-tracker has figured it out- this mode works really well for me but occasionally that can sound like a glitch on slower and more sustained playing. I haven't messed around with the "Zero Latency" mode yet.

 

[Quatschmacher]

I haven't messed around with the "Zero Latency" mode yet.

You must!

 

[sunbeast]

You must!

I know! I've been so busy I've barely been able to mess with the FI since that update

 

[Andras Szalay]

Sorry for publishing the upgrade while it was not quite complete (MAC editor and browser updater not published), but we had to hurry because the first new customers already got their devices with 4.51, and they did not have proper instruction for the upgrade. Now the MAC editor and the browser updater are also ready, available. I have to mention a "bug" (not really bug) in the PC editor: the addendum that is embedded in the editor is not the most recent one, so please use the standalone addendum from the web page. We will update this soon.

Now both PC editors (32 and 64 bit) are updated to contain the most recent 4.51 Addendum in the Help.

 

[JackMinion]

I wanna say how much I love this pedal!! Just did my update yesterday and auditioned some more patches from the Dexed DX7 patches and found a really, I mean really good Saxophone. I run it wet with no dry signal. I run a drum pattern and loop a bass line.I went 4 hrs yesterday overdubbing and running leads on Sax. Ok Baker Street let's go!!! Oh yeah if anyone is wondering what Sax patch, its called "SAX BC 15"

Im curious what everyones favourite patches are. These are my favs not in fav order but funtional for how i navigate patches.

Cheers!

 

[Bassheart365]

I wanna say how much I love this pedal!! Just did my update yesterday and auditioned some more patches from the Dexed DX7 patches and found a really, I mean really good Saxophone. I run it wet with no dry signal. I run a drum pattern and loop a bass line.I went 4 hrs yesterday overdubbing and running leads on Sax. Ok Baker Street let's go!!! Oh yeah if anyone is wondering what Sax patch, its called "SAX BC 15"

Im curious what everyones favourite patches are. These are my favs not in fav order but funtional for how i navigate patches.View attachment 7495565View attachment 7495566
Cheers!

I’m a virtual analog guy, especially MiniMoog-like bass patches. So far my favorites are those created by @Quatschmacher in the community database.

 

[nedvigbendeguz]

2. The MXR has expression and can have freeze or preset UP built-in (plus down with external switch). Anything the Future Impact does extra needs MIDI and so I have the Panda Audio midiBeam 4Control for expression, Down and freeze.


3. Any switch in this regard is momentary and as such you need to press for holding the freeze. This is mostly, if not all, how others work as well. Technically you could exchange a momentary switch to a latching one, but it wouldn't make the use case for even 0.1% of people.

But to this "one tap freeze, next tap release" that's a latching setup or non-momentary, I forgot the exact name, since we just call the switches So yes you could exchange the momentary switch for a normal one.

I also have a EHX Superego+ that does an auto latching freeze while you play, so you don't press anything, that's another way.
But you have to keep in mind the differences in freeze of an shapes envelope part and time sample as explained in prior page.
By having the Freeze in the pedal you can still have movement in sound, so it will not be "stationary" as with a sample.

Did I leave something out?

Thanks for the detailed reply!

So to connect the additional footswitches you also need the 4Control. Got it.
Probably still cheaper than a midi controller.

Maybe I'll experiment with the switches also. This latching thing could be interesting.

 

[golem]

Thanks for the detailed reply!

So to connect the additional footswitches you also need the 4Control. Got it.
Probably still cheaper than a midi controller.

Maybe I'll experiment with the switches also. This latching thing could be interesting.

Yeah, I think there are footswitches with similar feel close to momentary, that can latch by themselves, so like a traditional footswitch with click. That could work, but current solutions is to use the momentary and SW/HW for latching, since it's a cheaper and more durable solution.

The Panda Audio midiBeam 4Control is good, if you need a standalone solution with expression, except the missing built-in 9V power.
I have no idea why there is no 9V power, just look at the competition like CME H2MIDI Pro with 9V built-in.
I can only recommend to update the midiBeam 4Control with additional 9V, so we don't have to by a separate DC-DC Buck Converter Step Down Module, if my PSU on the pedalboard doesn't have USB power.

 

[Andras Szalay]

Many customers requested that they would like to have a video tutorial. We started to record a series of small video chunks that are easy to follow and contain all the most important things that users should know about the Future Impact. Here is a Youtube Playlist, containing the first two pieces, Unboxing and Setlist.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7qYgRrYq6I&list=PLrfLlZgoA3vYPDkvMhvmQDx54V_NhpC8h