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G&L Club Part 2

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I got my Blueburst L2000 Tribute in 2007 and it's been my go-to bass ever since. I scored an amazing deal on a black-n-maple Tribute at a GC I went in just to buy strings. First attempt at family portraits, better ones will get posted eventually. Maybe after I acquire the dream bass: L2500 in Clear Forest Green, B-E finger board and natural binding....ahhh :D
 

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ken;
that's a nice post and i'm gonna cut and paste it here for folks to lazy to click on it;)

yessir, i make my paper shims the width of the neck pocket, and run the neck mounting screws right thru them.
 
Here's what ken's link goes to, for those of you who didn't click on it. it's a good post, with some good followup you might want to look at as well...

snip kens' post:

This is a copy & paste of a post of mine done elsewhere. It was my response to the question, "Can skijump be permanently repaired?"

But first... Some may not know what skijump is, so a brief description is in order. Skijump is an abnormal forward bow/bend in the neck at roughly the neck/body joint, which is usually about the 12th fret. This bend results in action that is very high at the 12th fret. The instrument is usually playable up to about the 9th or 10th fret, with unplayably high action until about the 18th or 19th fret. Trussrod and saddle adjustments cannot compensate for skijump.

Can skijump be permanently repaired? Sometimes maybe, but everything I've read and learned says that it's pretty much permanently disfigured. It can usually be repaired, and the repair may last for several years, but the repair rarely is permanent over the life of the instrument.

The root of the problem is that the wood of the neck isn't as strong as it needs to be, particularly in the area of the neck/body joint. This basically means that it can affect ANY neck type - bolt-on, set, or thru, though it's most often seen in bolt-on necks due to human involvement. This is not a problem that will affect all necks, and is actually unusual. However, for those necks that may be more susceptible to skijump, the problem's onset can be hastened and/or exacerbated by improper neck tilt adjustments, whether via adjuster or shim.

3-bolt necks with the MicroTilt (Fender) or Precision Tilt (G&L) are, by design, really no more susceptible to skijump than non-adjustable necks. Where they run into problems is when users over-adjust the tilt then over-tighten the neck screws, which can force a skijump through the mechanical clamping action of the neck screws. It's a matter of where the neck screws are located relative to the position of the outboard end of the body pocket and the tilt adjuster. If you raise the neck heel enough with the adjuster then really crank down on the 2 neck screws nearest the outboard end of the body pocket, it is possible over time to draw the neck into a skijump bend. While a bunch of people over-adjust the tilt (at least at first), the lion's share of the problem here is the over-tightening of the neck screws. I've bought (and sold off) a badly skijumped bass where this was exactly the cause of the problem. I currently own a 25 year old bass where the 3-bolt neck has been properly adjusted using a fair amount of tilt and just enough tightness on the screws to keep the neck perfectly in place and there is zero skijump in evidence.

Shimming can create the same sort of problem as adjusters but it takes a little more effort to screw things up. In my experience, it's best to place shims at neck screw locations (with holes punched in the shims). Then the neck screws are carefully tightened, but not over tightened. If shims are placed outboard of screw locations and the neck screws are over tightened, the same clamping action described above can cause problems. It's also worth noting that the middle screws on 6-bolt necks especially need to be carefully tightened. Perhaps a thinner shim can be placed there in addition to the shim used to create the tilt.

In the end, it's just a mechanical problem stemming from the strength (or lack of enough strength) of the neck wood. The bad part is that humans sometimes don't help much. There is no way of knowing ahead of time, or during the manufacturing process, if a given neck may be susceptible to skijump. It is literally the luck of the draw. It's also worth noting that even with a neck that may be susceptible, proper use of tilt adjustments and neck screw tightening will probably help avoid the problem all together.

Michael Dolan is a well respected luthier in Santa Rosa, CA, USA. What he many times does to repair skijump is plane a little bit extra from the fingerboard from about the 11th or 12th fret to the end (23rd or so). This allows for the skijump to return, which it will do, and still leave the instrument in more-or-less playable condition. He then re-frets the board and re-finishes what needs refinishing.
 
With the saddles bottomed out I often find that the action is higher than I care for. Micro-tilt is better than shimming.

Well it's definitely faster, but maybe not "better"? One little focal point where the micro-tilt screw mates with the metal disc, is less stable than a well-fitted shim that spans the breadth of the neck pocket.

And the stats are in, there are plenty ski-jumped G&L necks out there as testimony. And Peavey necks, as well.

As for bottomed out saddles and action still too high....that obviously aint right. Something was cut wrong at the factory, would be my guess. I've heard about this issue with some G&L basses, maybe 3-4 years ago? Never should have left the factory like that.
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Worn, I keep meaning to replace the knobs as they don't add any "mojo" to the bass. I have been playing fretted again for the last year or so and keep forgetting. The Black 1505 is a little lighter but that L2500 has some sound to it,really thick and syrupy. They both have had the fingerboards planed and nuts recut.
 
Well it's definitely faster, but maybe not "better"? One little focal point where the micro-tilt screw mates with the metal disc, is less stable than a well-fitted shim that spans the breadth of the neck pocket.

And the stats are in, there are plenty ski-jumped G&L necks out there as testimony. And Peavey necks, as well.

As for bottomed out saddles and action still too high....that obviously aint right. Something was cut wrong at the factory, would be my guess. I've heard about this issue with some G&L basses, maybe 3-4 years ago? Never should have left the factory like that.
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True it's faster but probably not more stable. It works pretty well for me but maybe sometime I should try shimming.

Not sure if something is cut wrong on the bass though. :confused: All 6 G&Ls I owned but one were early 80s and they all set up the same. I have the g saddle nearly bottomed out, the rest set to fingerboard radius, and just a touch of tilt to get the action where I like it.
 
Voceferous, The L2500 is alder, so is the L1505. I use Elixirs on those two basses but I use to have DR high beams on the 2500.
stainless steel rounds and fretless don't mix very well( they sound great though). You can wear down the finger board with roundwounds if you play the hell out of them. I had an early 90's fretless stingray that I had planed three times due to wear. Pino Palladino REPLACED the fingerboard on his main sunburst stingray for the same reason. His is rosewood mine was pau ferro. Ebony is more dense than both but still needs to be planed after a while.
 
Not sure if something is cut wrong on the bass though. :confused: All 6 G&Ls I owned but one were early 80s and they all set up the same. I have the g saddle nearly bottomed out, the rest set to fingerboard radius, and just a touch of tilt to get the action where I like it.

I think "spideyjg" encountered the saddle issue on one of his basses. Maybe he'll chime in with deets and the remedy.
 
Has anyone done the tone mod for their SB-2? I'm looking for reference material on doing it. I want to try and get a similar pallete to an American Precision Deluxe(old style). It seems with G&L's Hot MFD pickups that having tone shaping abilities could achieve it.

Thanks,

Dave
 
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