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G&L Club Part 2

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This post could easily go under "Hardware", but the work was done to my L2500 and I figured I'd share it here first...

I've had my fretted L2500 a little over a year and I really loved everything about it but one thing: a previous owner somewhere down the line had really screwed up the plastic nut. It was low on all the strings, but the A-string was too low (always buzzing on the first frets) and the D-string was cut so badly that the witness-point was farther back than it should have been, making intonation a chore (I could intonate with decent accuracy off the first fret position - sorta). It was pretty obvious that someone tried to build up the slots with super-glue and white plastic dust, but it just wasn't working. I've done my own work for years, so I finally decided that it was time to put the hours into this bass, since it is a keeper. So about 2 weeks ago I pulled the old plastic nut - which was already cracked and broke into about 4 pieces - and gave it fret leveling and recrown. I also ordered a couple of nut blanks and some new nut files from Warmoth. Today I finally got to spend the necessary time to make it work. Here's a pick of the old nut on the bass:

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I don't have a picture of the nut blank, but it was about 1.75" long, .25" high, and .125" wide - rectangular. I used an oscillating spindel-sander to shape the bottom of the nut to match the 12" radius of the nut slot, then I laid out the slots so that the spacing between each string would be nearly the same (instead of center-to-center). I used a hack-saw to cut some meat out of the slots, then did the rest of the work with my nut files. When the slots were close, I gave it a good setup, adjusting the neck to be nearly flat, and the saddle height to feel good up high without any buzzing. Then I slowly eased each slot down, one at a time with full tension on all the strings, save the one who's slot was being cut. The last thing I did once it was exactly where I wanted was to grind off the excess material from the top such that the top of the nut is chamfered back toward the headstock and bisects each string as it sits in it's slot. Then I sanded it all down (very carefully) from about 320 to 800 grit, then used a Dremel with a polishing wheel and compound to buff it out. Here's the final result:

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Sonically, it's hard to say if the nut made a difference. I do notice that the open strings sound VERY much like the low-fretted notes, though. I'm using the strings that were on before I made the changes, BTW. The intonation is MUCH better now (I use a Peterson, and now my ears agree), and the playability is much improved. Even though it had great action before the new nut, it's even better now. I was able to get the neck flatter with no buzzing on open strings AND no buzzing of the strings behind a fretted note. That happens when the neck is too flat and the nut is too low and the strings vibrate on the frets - the rattling always comes through the pickups.

It may be overkill, but it's functionally perfect, and it looks REALLY nice. Especially with the polished frets (which the picture doesn't really show as I polished them after this picture was taken). No way I'd pay someone to do it cause I know how much work is involved, but I don't mind putting the effort into it for a little "bling" on my own bass.
 
What is your rig?

Well, I'm away from my rig for a few months so I play whatever's available. But it's an Eden WT400 into a Flite 2x10 and 1x15 (with 5" speaker). I generally run through a Fulltone bassdrive in comp-cut as if it were a preamp, and I use tons of other effects. Recording I skip the rig but keep the bassdrive and then whatever other effects before going into a Great River 500NV or Chandler Germanium 500.

I have a major crush on the Orange Terror Bass.

Nice birds eye. Maple fretless. Hmm. I don't think I remember seeing that before. Nice.

I've got an unlined maple fretless Fender Precision (frecision? imprecisions?) from probably about 1980. Love that tone--can mwah but it also sings.
 
Hello to all my fellow G&L owners.I have a question to all club members.Does anyone still run this club? I have made several requests as has about 5 or 6 others in the thread to join with no response at all. I am not trying to step on anyone's toes,but if there is no one running the club,I would love to be the new guy in charge of it.What would you guys think? Thanks Joe:hyper:
 
Hello to all my fellow G&L owners.I have a question to all club members.Does anyone still run this club? I have made several requests as has about 5 or 6 others in the thread to join with no response at all. I am not trying to step on anyone's toes,but if there is no one running the club,I would love to be the new guy in charge of it.What would you guys think? Thanks Joe:hyper:

I was begining to wonder myself what was up.
Maybe the moderator is on vacation or something...
 
I was begining to wonder myself what was up.
Maybe the moderator is on vacation or something...

Moderators only start these club threads when the previous ones reach 1000 posts and need to be closed. I have nothing to do with the numbering here.

That being said, please remember that these club threads are by no means "official" in any way here at TB, so there's no reason why you can't give yourself a number if the person who originally planned on doing it has vanished. Or just assign a new person to the task as joevcool suggested.
 
OK; here's some BABP LE2500K thoughts:

Fit and finish are excellent.
The new style trussrod works it's stuff super easy.
The frets are much narrower than on my older G&L stuff; equivalent to what Fender would call vintage wire. I like it.
Single coil is kewl, and should just be standard.
Dual parallel is more scooped than I remember, and very MusicMan-ish to my ear.
Series is just huge, with a lot of highs knocked off.
Preamp not needed, really; though in series mode you can get some highs back with it.
Haven't messed with preamp+treble boost.
Though treble and bass are both passive/cut only, I've always found it better to think of treble as cut only, and bass as active, and work from center with that control. I often run at less than half. In series mode, you can nearly shut the bass control and have plenty of beef.

It's a crazy looking piece of ash, and has lots of stuff going on in it photos wouldn't catch. The rodewood looks almost "candy cane" striped, but I didn't shoot a closeup.

Weight is 9lbs 9oz, and it's supremely well balanced. A good weight for me, and not "crazy heavy" like some ash G&L's are. I had one that was over 12lbs (but not for long!).

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The "look Ma, no dots" fingerboard goes with the blackburst, I think. It does have side dots that are plenty visible.
 
OK so;
I've spent mucho time with this bass now.

The neck pickup, especially in series mode, was much larger than the bridge pickup.
I messed with that for a sec on my own (including Ken's "put the single coil side higher deal, which is fun, try it)
and then got out the G&L factory setup manual (down-loadable from their website) and ran it thru the whole works.

Got the action where I like it, matched pickup poles to neck radius, and *set the pickups to where the book says.* Man, did that make the difference!

Balance is spot on now, and man, this bass is juuuuust what I wanted. Much like my ole '97, this thing is freaky bright. You can hear the windings on the strings, espeeeecially in single coil and parallel modes.

Beastly!

I can't wait to get it to a job. Man, I wish my outta town thing this weekend hadn't cancelled: boo!
 
Chef,

Where'd you find the factory setup procedures? I've got both of my L2500s set how I feel they sound best for my needs (no warbles up high on the neck on the B/E strings), but I'm curious how my setup compares to the factory spec.
 
Chef,

Where'd you find the factory setup procedures? I've got both of my L2500s set how I feel they sound best for my needs (no warbles up high on the neck on the B/E strings), but I'm curious how my setup compares to the factory spec.

Not Chef here...

There isn't really a current factory spec for bass setup. OTOH, there is nothing special involved. Just set to your personal specification and you're good to go.

If you have a burning desire to see the original guide from the old days, look here. This covers both guitar and bass and 3-bolt Precision Tilt necks. Using this guide, and substituting shims for tilt adjustment, should get you in the ballpark and ready for fine tuning.

Ken...
 
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