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G&L Club Part 7

#961
Dave W said:
You probably already know but if they are colored ball ends they're D'Addario.
I'd be willing to bet the string modulation is due to a twisted string.
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Interesting. I've never heard of that happening. And yes, colored ends in the strings.

Since the seller had scatter-wound the strings on, I loosened them and cut the ends to string them properly pushing the string end into the peg head. Now there's less of that chorus-like modulation.

I have tightened the neck several times now during the time I have had it, there is stil a little room for tightening, I think. The bridge saddles don't bottom out any more and I don't need to adjust the neck angle. I had to screw the pickup down quite a lot due to the clank I got when I lowered the saddles.

It's surprising how bass owners don't realize they actually can have a working instrument with just a little of tweaking and patience.
 
#962
rust_preacher said:
Interesting. I've never heard of that happening. And yes, colored ends in the strings.

Since the seller had scatter-wound the strings on, I loosened them and cut the ends to string them properly pushing the string end into the peg head. Now there's less of that chorus-like modulation.

I have tightened the neck several times now during the time I have had it, there is stil a little room for tightening, I think. The bridge saddles don't bottom out any more and I don't need to adjust the neck angle. I had to screw the pickup down quite a lot due to the clank I got when I lowered the saddles.

It's surprising how bass owners don't realize they actually can have a working instrument with just a little of tweaking and patience.
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I would also check the angle at which the string leaves the nut. Might be too shallow and that whill give you that sitar like sound.
 
#964
Cney said:
I would also check the angle at which the string leaves the nut. Might be too shallow and that whill give you that sitar like sound.
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Thanks but, no, that wasn't it, especially after I properly reinstalled the strings. It's not a sitar sound, it's a chorus-like modulation. As if when you tune and there are the "beats" but with just the E-string sounding. It's a bit weird, and I attribute it to the complexity of the vibration modes in the string. There are some high-pitch resonances going on. Probably the way the string is wound. Or maybe some of the vibrations are reflected from the slight taper at the ball end of the E-string.
 
#965
rust_preacher said:
Thanks but, no, that wasn't it, especially after I properly reinstalled the strings. It's not a sitar sound, it's a chorus-like modulation. As if when you tune and there are the "beats" but with just the E-string sounding. It's a bit weird, and I attribute it to the complexity of the vibration modes in the string. There are some high-pitch resonances going on. Probably the way the string is wound. Or maybe some of the vibrations are reflected from the slight taper at the ball end of the E-string.
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Have you tried a new string?

If the string was twisted it may be a permanent thing. From what you describe it sounds exactly like what is going on
Or the pickups could be too close to the strings
Or a combination of both
 
#966
Dave W said:
Have you tried a new string?

If the string was twisted it may be a permanent thing. From what you describe it sounds exactly like what is going on
Or the pickups could be too close to the strings
Or a combination of both
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+1

Try a different string and maybe drop that pickup down?

I wouldn't be a bit surprised if the problem is the pickup being too close to the strings, even though it may look fine. I mentioned before that my '83 pickup has extra-strong magnetic pull, to the point of causing a chorus effect when adjusted a bit too high. My other L1K's (80, 81, 81) don't behave that way. Could be an issue peculiar to some of the '83 models? I know that Leo was a tinkerer and that he was alleged to have messed around with different pickup components, especially in the early days. The most obvious, of course, being the different pole pieces used from one year to the next. Not to mention that all the pickups were hand wound on a pretty crude, homemade winding machine.
 
#967
theduke1 said:
I have a 1990 SB1 and it looks a lot like a LB100. Can some tell me the difference? I've been playing G&Lsince 1986 counting the 3 G&L s I have now I've had 6 but can't tell the difference between your lb and my about
Thanks
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From what I've been able to tell, the LB series is G&L's take on recreating a Fender P. Pickups are like a Fender, along with neck dimensions etc. I like my SB-1 and SB-2.
 
#968
Agreed, continue to carefully lower the pickup. If no help, change out the string.

rust_preacher said:
Thanks but, no, that wasn't it, especially after I properly reinstalled the strings. It's not a sitar sound, it's a chorus-like modulation. As if when you tune and there are the "beats" but with just the E-string sounding. It's a bit weird, and I attribute it to the complexity of the vibration modes in the string. There are some high-pitch resonances going on. Probably the way the string is wound. Or maybe some of the vibrations are reflected from the slight taper at the ball end of the E-string.
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#971
1) How different is the neck profile of the LB100 from the M2500.
The M2500 feels like it was made for me -- the spacing and neck profile just feel right to me

but I gas over a good P tone and I've only played 5 strings, so I look at the 4 sring LB100.
A switch to LB100 would take some rethinking and if the neck profile is more P bass like, I could maybe quit thinking about it altogether.
I have a Yamaha BB425x, and the neck is thicker than the M2500 and it's not all that bad, but switching over to the m2500m then that feels effortless and it feels like I was wrestling with the Yamaha.

Now the BB425x has a great P tone. It also has D'addario half-wounds and the M2500 has GHS Pressure wounds.
2) How much of that thumpy P tone would I get if I switched to Flats or the same D'addario halfwound s or GHS bright flats?
BUT I don't want to replace what I have now with the M2500 and pressure wounds.

so am I headed to be one of those guys who has identical basses with 2 different string sets?
2) How far would say GHS Brite Flats on a M2500 bring me to a P thumpy tone? I'd be happy with 85%.

Lots of questions, but maybe someone can relate.
 
#973
Tunaman, you're saying I could order an LB100 with a neck that aside from being a 4 vs a 5 would have the same spacing and profile as on my M2500?

so that would most likely be a #8 modern c narrow 1 1/2 inch nut for a 4 string

to match the closest to the one and only 5 string neck?
 
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#974
wrench45us said:
Tunaman, you're saying I could order an LB100 with a neck that aside from being a 4 vs a 5 would have the same spacing and profile as on my M2500?
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You're damn right thats what I'm saying! To be honest with you the LB-100 the #10 may be very similar to the#12 (Which is standard on the LB-100) I got mine with a #8

Heres your neck options...

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#976
wrench45us said:
oh sure and look the one that I've had my eye on has a #8 neck

http://www.rocketmusic.net/cgi-bin/commerce.cgi?preadd=action&key=5799

but you're thinking the #10 default would be closer to the spacing I'm used to?

and maybe, just maybe, in this case, a rosewood neck might be more appropriate

I could pick up a m2500 Tribute and slap on Brite Flats and come how close?
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The #8 is a chunky jazz and has the 17.5mm jazz spacing that the m2500 has. The m2500 has a #10. I bet the #8 will be more your speed if its spacing you're looking at vs getting the exact dimensions of the m2500. Thats what I did. I can't play normal 19mm P bass spacing of the #10 neck
 
#979
rust_preacher said:
Thanks but, no, that wasn't it, especially after I properly reinstalled the strings. It's not a sitar sound, it's a chorus-like modulation. As if when you tune and there are the "beats" but with just the E-string sounding. It's a bit weird, and I attribute it to the complexity of the vibration modes in the string. There are some high-pitch resonances going on. Probably the way the string is wound. Or maybe some of the vibrations are reflected from the slight taper at the ball end of the E-string.
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Couple other items to double-check, just to rule them out...

That the 3rd and 4th strings have enough wraps around the tuner shaft so there's enough break angle from nut to shaft. The more the better.

And that the pickup mounting springs (if your bass still has them) have their little rubber bits inside them. They act as dampeners, without them the springs can resonate and cause a ringing overtone known as "spring ping". Common with G&L's and very annoying when it happens.
 

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