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G&L Club Part 7

My lb 100 is great and with flats like ghs precisions it's vintage again while rounds make it way better for rock cut than a fender p

How is it any different than a Fender P (other than feel or build quality)? It's a split coil pickup, in the same spot as a Fender P pickup, right? Other reviews I've read of the LB-100 praised it for giving the "exact" Fender P sound (as if there is such a thing...).

I could understand that you might find it better for rock than a PARTICULAR Fender P that you have tried. But I don't understand how it can be categorically better than any/all Fender Ps for rock. It seems like it should be exactly the same.
 
How is it any different than a Fender P (other than feel or build quality)? It's a split coil pickup, in the same spot as a Fender P pickup, right? Other reviews I've read of the LB-100 praised it for giving the "exact" Fender P sound (as if there is such a thing...).

I could understand that you might find it better for rock than a PARTICULAR Fender P that you have tried. But I don't understand how it can be categorically better than any/all Fender Ps for rock. It seems like it should be exactly the same.

Overwound pickup makes it a bit more aggressive... that can be tamed by rolling off the tone with the G&L I found with my MIA P that rolling off the tone just got too dark so I was "stuck" at wide open which at times wasn't enough. Dont get me wrong, the P was great for what it was but you can't say that a Fender rosewood P is a mix cutting axe. The overwound pickup on the G&L & maple with some rounds adds that.
 
if I ever get off the L5000 quest, I'd definitely order an MJ-5 with maple fretboard. I have an M2500 with maple and that neutral neck treatment and it's a great feel. I think the maple board helps with moving the politeness of the M2500 towards a little more bite as well, but that may be projection. It's the feel of it that maintains the appeal.
 
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neutral = clear satin == standard finish

I have a banjo from the 20's with an ebony fretboard that has little dips in common chord positions from so much use, so I mistakenly consider that an easily worn wood. But the fact is somebody or two or three must have really worked that fretboard -- like marble steps of old catherdrals are worn into shallow curves.

A friend had a Telecaster guitar with a maple neck way back when and how that played has always stuck with me, so it as you say personal hangup.
 
Overwound pickup makes it a bit more aggressive... that can be tamed by rolling off the tone with the G&L I found with my MIA P that rolling off the tone just got too dark so I was "stuck" at wide open which at times wasn't enough. Dont get me wrong, the P was great for what it was but you can't say that a Fender rosewood P is a mix cutting axe. The overwound pickup on the G&L & maple with some rounds adds that.

I didn't realize the LB-100 has an overwound pickup. I thought they were the same as a regular P pickup. The G&L page about the LB-100 doesn't say anything about it being overwound.

And, actually, I DO think a Fender P (even rosewood) cuts through a mix better than pretty much anything else out there. I never fully appreciated it until I was at a show, in the very back of the room, and the bassist was playing a Fender P. I was listening to his playing and appreciating the fact that I could hear and distinguish every individual note he was playing. And then I realized that not only was that true, but it was true in spite of the fact that, objectively, his actual volume was significantly lower than the rest of the band's (a pretty rockin' blues band). To me, what I was hearing was what I now consider to be the very definition of cutting through a mix.

The very opposite of a lot of (non-P) basses I hear where the bass is loud - sometimes even louder than the rest of the band - and yet you can only ever get any idea of what the bass player is actually playing during the sections of a song where some or all of the rest of the band has dropped out. The rest of the time, you just hear a really low-pitched sound, so you know the bass is actually playing. You can't tell what notes the bassist is playing, or even when s/he changes from one note to another. That has never happened, that I can remember, when I was listening to somebody playing a P bass. Sometimes it is too quiet in the mix and I just can't hear it at all. But, when I can hear it, I can pretty much always hear the individual notes clearly.
 
I didn't realize the LB-100 has an overwound pickup. I thought they were the same as a regular P pickup. The G&L page about the LB-100 doesn't say anything about it being overwound.

And, actually, I DO think a Fender P (even rosewood) cuts through a mix better than pretty much anything else out there. I never fully appreciated it until I was at a show, in the very back of the room, and the bassist was playing a Fender P. I was listening to his playing and appreciating the fact that I could hear and distinguish every individual note he was playing. And then I realized that not only was that true, but it was true in spite of the fact that, objectively, his actual volume was significantly lower than the rest of the band's (a pretty rockin' blues band). To me, what I was hearing was what I now consider to be the very definition of cutting through a mix.

The very opposite of a lot of (non-P) basses I hear where the bass is loud - sometimes even louder than the rest of the band - and yet you can only ever get any idea of what the bass player is actually playing during the sections of a song where some or all of the rest of the band has dropped out. The rest of the time, you just hear a really low-pitched sound, so you know the bass is actually playing. You can't tell what notes the bassist is playing, or even when s/he changes from one note to another. That has never happened, that I can remember, when I was listening to somebody playing a P bass. Sometimes it is too quiet in the mix and I just can't hear it at all. But, when I can hear it, I can pretty much always hear the individual notes clearly.

Heres a post from MusicStoreLive which basically says the exact same thing I've personally found...

These really are some phenomenal basses! I've actually added one to my personal collection and it gets as much playing time as my Sadowsky! The LB-100 seems to have a wider frequency response than an Am Std Fender P bass and the pickup is slightly overwound compared to the Fender which, to me, allows this bass to sit in a mix perfectly. I threw a set of La Bella medium gauge flats on my LB-100 and it kills! I've hooked a bunch of TB customers up with custom orders as well as some in-stock LB-100s and everybody has given it two thumbs up. I haven't heard a single negative review of these basses, to be honest with you. I've also noticed some P-basses can have a tendency to get a bit muddy as you turn the tone knob down, but with this one, it rolls the highs off but continues to leave your tone punchy, tight, and focused. I really can't say enough about this bass. Of everything we have available here at the shop, I decided to go with this for my own personal collection. I gig out 3-4 times a week and anytime I'm not using the Sadowsky J bass, I'm rocking my G&L LB-100.

Cheers,
Brian
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You know...something simple yet classy like this. Add binding to the neck for more of a '62 J thing.
Ash body; ebony board. tobacco burst. No p/g.
I wonder if they'll build to a target weight...?

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According to Greg @ Rocket Music, they won't build to a target weight. They had the lightweight request that was sort of a crapshoot. Now, they're trying to build them all lighter. (post #25 here http://www.talkbass.com/threads/g-l-pricing.793585/page-2 )
The empress bodied basses was a run of 50, there's a list of available basses (although some may be gone by now) along with their weights
here @ post #52 http://www.talkbass.com/threads/latest-g-l-arrivals.1035347/page-3
the only 5'er on the list, a M-2500 weighs in @ 8.3lbs
 
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So should we consider the split pickup for the LB-100 a specific part for that instrument
and the spilt pickup for the SB-2 specific to that instrument?

I'm inclined to think so, as it seems G&L creates a set of specific electronics to an instrument offering.
(but that's my speculation someone with actual information could correct or confirm)

That said...
my quest for the 'right' 1988-1993 L5000 began because the LB-100 wasn't available in a 5 string and just maybe the characteristics of the L5000 spilt pickup were the predecessor to the LB-100?

So if it came down to having to vote for the next candidate for 5 string design, I would probably have to go with LB100 over SB-2, but would not be disappointed as long as some 5 string expansion occurs -- undeterred by slow acceptance of MJ5 (if that is the case).
 
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Heres a post from MusicStoreLive which basically says the exact same thing I've personally found...
I would agree with most of that post. No blur or wool down low on the E string like I've experienced with most every Fender P I've played. Very punchy and fantastic with my heavy right hand.

The pickups are clear/even sounding w/o the rolled off top of my Fender, the downfall of that being that the three I 've tried had a more obvious need for shielding (all my basses need shielding so no biggie). I don't know that I agree that it's overwound. My understanding is that overwound pickups roll off the highs in favor of lows and mids which doesn't seem the case here. In the same ballpark as a Lollar I tried in my Fender.

The extra punchiness/clarity could come from the six bolt neck pocket, the heavy bridge, additional mass in the truss rod or even the jumbo frets (G&L should list their standard frets as jumbos, they are not medium jumbos). To me they sound like a better or at least a well recorded P bass.
 
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I would agree with most of that post. No blur or wool down low on the E string like I've experienced with most every Fender P I've played. Very punchy and fantastic with my heavy right hand.

The pickups are clear/even sounding w/o the rolled off top of my Fender, the downfall of that being that the three I 've tried had a more obvious need for shielding (all my basses need shielding so no biggie). I don't know that I agree that it's overwound. My understanding is that overwound pickups roll off the highs in favor of lows and mids which doesn't seem the case here. In the same ballpark as I Lollar I tried in my Fender.

The extra punchiness/clarity could come from the six bolt neck pocket, the heavy bridge, additional mass in the truss rod or even the jumbo frets (G&L should list their standard frets as jumbos, they are not medium jumbos). To me they sound like a better or at least a well recorded P bass.

Never noticed any noise issues & I'm sensitive to that stuff. Returned my Carvin PJ TWICE for that. I'm trying to get it confirmed that the pickup is overwound, i guess I took MusicLives post as gospel

G&Ls website says its "vintage spec'd" here

http://g-l-online-store.myshopify.com/products/alnico-lb-100-bass-pickups

Heres from Bassplayer review:
The split-coil Alnico V pickup was configured by G&L designer Paul Gagon to match the specs of the vintage pickups he measured during his tenure at Fender’s R&D department in the 1980s. The pickup placement and its construction yield predictable results—it sounds like a P-Bass.

My experience is that the LB-100 with maple is pretty aggressive with a wider tonal range. When I hear the clips of a rosewood LB-100 its very close to the rosewood Fender P I had. You can listen to Eds P bass shootout & they are very close. Strings would probably account for more differences. I promise you that the maple is an aggressive beast though.

 
So should we consider the split pickup for the LB-100 a specific part for that instrument
and the spilt pickup for the SB-2 specific to that instrument?

I'm inclined to think so, as it seems G&L creates a set of specific electronics to an instrument offering.
(but that's my speculation someone with actual information could correct or confirm)

That said...
my quest for the 'right' 1988-1993 L5000 began because the LB-100 wasn't available in a 5 string and just maybe the characteristics of the L5000 spilt pickup were the predecessor to the LB-100?

So if it came down to having to vote for the next candidate for 5 string design, I would probably have to go with LB100 over SB-2, but would not be disappointed as long as some 5 string expansion occurs -- undeterred by slow acceptance of MJ5 (if that is the case).
BTW, I compared my L5000 to the L1005, and the L1005 kicks it's butt n so many ways.....clearer hotter pickup and no neck dive....
 
well if the L1005 kicks the L5000's butt I may be ending my quixotic search for the 'right' L5000, as I'm not really interested in a collector's piece.

and as the L1005 is the basic MFD pickup (L2500 version vs. M2500 version) and am already familiar and happy with those, I guess it makes sense to go next, if at all, with alnico pickups
which for 5 is MJ5 and 4 is LB100 --
 
well if the L1005 kicks the L5000's butt I may be ending my quixotic search for the 'right' L5000, as I'm not really interested in a collector's piece.

and as the L1005 is the basic MFD pickup (L2500 version vs. M2500 version) and am already familiar and happy with those, I guess it makes sense to go next, if at all, with alnico pickups
which for 5 is MJ5 and 4 is LB100 --
talk to @ggvicviper he has both also....
 
well if the L1005 kicks the L5000's butt I may be ending my quixotic search for the 'right' L5000, as I'm not really interested in a collector's piece.

and as the L1005 is the basic MFD pickup (L2500 version vs. M2500 version) and am already familiar and happy with those, I guess it makes sense to go next, if at all, with alnico pickups
which for 5 is MJ5 and 4 is LB100 --

Chiming in here...

The L5000 is a 5-string version of the SB-1, which itself is a P bass with a meatier high output pickup. The only issue folks have with the bass is the string spacing, which is tight and uncomfortable to some. Me, I have 0 issues with it and find the bass plays very well. Only other problem is the rarity. Get past those two things, and you have one of the best P-style basses ever made.

The L1005 is a very similar animal in some ways, and others not quite. In terms of cosmetic design, the L1005 is a bit different - string spacing is much wider, it has a different headstock, and it's probably going to be lighter than any L5000. Also, the L1005 has more tonal options, with the parallel setting sounding the least like a P bass, and more like a L2500 soloed at the neck. The single coil mode gets much closer to a P/L5000 sound, but it's a little more SCPB than standard P, including some single coil noise. The "OMG" mode gets even closer to that P/L5000 sound, due to the volume increase, treble cut and emphasis on bottom and lower mids, but again, single coil noise. Here you have something that can nearly cover all the same ground as an L5000, but do even more. Another one of the best basses I've ever played.

Ultimately, both instruments are worth considering if you really want a G&L P5-ish style bass. Question is - do you want either of them?
 
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Never noticed any noise issues & I'm sensitive to that stuff. Returned my Carvin PJ TWICE for that. I'm trying to get it confirmed that the pickup is overwound, i guess I took MusicLives post as gospel

G&Ls website says its "vintage spec'd" here

http://g-l-online-store.myshopify.com/products/alnico-lb-100-bass-pickups

Heres from Bassplayer review:
The split-coil Alnico V pickup was configured by G&L designer Paul Gagon to match the specs of the vintage pickups he measured during his tenure at Fender’s R&D department in the 1980s. The pickup placement and its construction yield predictable results—it sounds like a P-Bass.

My experience is that the LB-100 with maple is pretty aggressive with a wider tonal range. When I hear the clips of a rosewood LB-100 its very close to the rosewood Fender P I had. You can listen to Eds P bass shootout & they are very close. Strings would probably account for more differences. I promise you that the maple is an aggressive beast though.


Yeah, I have to shield and ground the pole pieces on all my passive basses. As soon as I rest my hand near the pickup cover they buzz. After talking to a couple pickup makers I've found that some peoples bodies cause that. The more highend a p/u has the more of a problem it is for me.

The three rosewood LB-100s I've had were all more aggressive than my stock maple board P Bass (also strung with D'Addarios). I believe it when you say how aggressive your LB is, as a huge maple fan I can only imagine it's glorious!

I've listened to the shootout before through my fairly flat headphones (Audio-technical M-50x) and the LB sounds noticeably tighter, more even and less extended in the lows than the other basses (especially the green Fender). As a dyed in the wool J Bass guy that's probably what makes it work for me. The LB sounds like it's mixed quieter but I believe he said he gain match the basses. Being he used such a wide variety of strings it's hard to read to much into it but it's still an interesting clip.