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G&L Introduces Short Scale Fallout Bass - Launch Edition

I tried and tried to get them to leave the stripes off and use ebony for the board. The factory wouldn't do either, even though they haven't been built yet.

The retailer did specially request factory flats for me, though, since G&L themselves show LaBella flats in one of their demo videos.
 
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Ok, for the record
I spoken to Steve about this lower pricing ‘the dealer’ had for $1300.

Steve is the guy in the G&L videos and is a good friend of mine.
He said to me that these basses were never supposed to be that low for that price. That is something the dealer did and does not have to do with G&L.

On the selected colors and racing stripes...
These basses are a limited edition short scale that G&L are offering for a limited time and then production will be ceased. They wanted a particular theme for that repsenation.

Cheers
I hope this sheds some light
 
Ok, for the record
I spoken to Steve about this lower pricing ‘the dealer’ had for $1300.

Steve is the guy in the G&L videos and is a good friend of mine.
He said to me that these basses were never supposed to be that low for that price. That is something the dealer did and does not have to do with G&L.

On the selected colors and racing stripes...
These basses are a limited edition short scale that G&L are offering for a limited time and then production will be ceased. They wanted a particular theme for that repsenation.

Cheers
I hope this sheds some light
Thanks, Tony for the info
 
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My dealer’s G&L rep’s statement contradicts Steve’s. As posted earlier in the thread, he told my dealer, “The price up until about a month ago was $1300, but they could not get costs down, so MAP is indeed $1699.”

So, dealers were undeed originally told $1,300 M.A.P. It’s just that Upfront appears to be the only dealer who put them up for pre-order before G&L changed the price.

Of course G&L isn’t going to admit that. Luckily I have an honest dealer, who did.
 
My dealer’s G&L rep’s statement contradicts Steve’s. As posted earlier in the thread, he told my dealer, “The price up until about a month ago was $1300, but they could not get costs down, so MAP is indeed $1699.”

So, dealers were undeed originally told $1,300 M.A.P. It’s just that Upfront appears to be the only dealer who put them up for pre-order before G&L changed the price.

Of course G&L isn’t going to admit that. Luckily I have an honest dealer, who did.
I can only tell you what Steve told me and He works for the company.

On a side note and IMHO (only) - I think $1699 is pretty fair for an American built instrument...
Try getting a Lull or equivalent...The Mike Lull PT30 are around $3499
 
Looks cool, sounds good, and only a $1700 starting price....and I can't get past the name "OMG mode". I really hope it stands for something else.

I very recently played the new Fender Mustang limited edition with the ebony board and I would prefer it over the G&L. A Supro Huntington is also less expensive...

I played all 3. The OMG mode is appropriately named.
 
I really like the short scale aspect of this bass and since I have an L-2500, I have a pretty good idea of what it’ll sound like. At $1299, I’d be tempted, but at $1699 I’m not interested because I already have too many basses that I don’t play often enough. I’m okay with the racing stripes, but I’d like it better without them.
 
I can only tell you what Steve told me and He works for the company.

On a side note and IMHO (only) - I think $1699 is pretty fair for an American built instrument...
Try getting a Lull or equivalent...The Mike Lull PT30 are around $3499

A G&L is not a Lull. Too bad that actually need to stated here. G&L is in the same neighborhood as mass produced U.S.-made Fenders in terms of quality, or slightly better, and have traditionally been at around the same price points or a bit cheaper.

A short necked bass being priced the same as a regular long necked bass of similar build quality goes against over 50 years of typical pricing structures for a musical instrument line. When did Fender ever sell Mustang Basses for the same as, or more than, P or J Basses?

There are not many U.S. made, good quality short necks to compare to. The closest equivalent in terms of quality is the American Performer Mustang, which retails for $1,200 without HSC (just a gig bag). This is the first American made short scale Fender bass in nearly 40 years (unless one is slipping my mind). I have it. It is built very well – no worse than any of my G&Ls (of which I have many, and which I have been using for almost 25 years). The finish quality is excellent – better than most U.S. Fenders of the past that I have tried. I still felt it was overpriced for the level of quality and the bag that it came with.

As for them being "limited edition," as explained before that is a misnomer. "Limited edition" means that a maker caps production numbers at a set amount, and runs an edition on spec (meaning without them having been pre-ordered by retailers)...then tries to sell them to dealers. What is happening with the Fallout Bass is a limited production period, not a limited edition. They will make only as many as are ordered (a method that provides zero gamble to the manufacturer, because they know that everything they are making will sell), for a limited time only (orders close at the end of November). But they have not capped production at a set number, so it's not a "limited edition."

I can see the exclusive features (matching head, stripes) adding $200–$300 to the retail price. So that makes a theoretical Fullerton Deluxe version $1,400–$1,500 – in line with their Fullerton Deluze JBs and LB-100s. But again, a short neck being priced the same as a long neck is very odd.

The information I reported comes from a G&L sales rep (i.e. one of G&'s salespeople), and was reported to a retailer, as I explained. If anyone knows the pricing history of a G&L product, and will be straight up about it to anyone else, it's a sales rep speaking to one of his retailers. What does Steve do at G&L? Are you one of his customers (i.e. a G&L retailer)?

FWIW, I ordered mine. The dealer gave it to me for $1,356, due to the price sneakiness on G&L's part with this launch. That's basically the originally intended retail price plus shipping.
 
A short necked bass being priced the same as a regular long necked bass of similar build quality goes against over 50 years of typical pricing structures for a musical instrument line.

I’ve wondered about this. It’s a bit of a perception thing that “smaller” should cost less. To some degree it is less material, and shipping and inventory costs might be lower. I think the lower demand for short scales also tweaks things on the supply/demand curve. Regardless, this is a quality instrument being built in America, so the argument for them pricing it at $1,699 is understandable. If it’s a small quantity limited run, then they won’t get certain efficiencies of a bigger production (economies of scale).

If I was a short scale enthusiast, it might’ve been worth it for me. As a guy looking to test the short scale waters, it was a barrier. I ended up with $599 (sale) priced MIM Mustang and that scratched my itch. If a lower priced G&L option pops up down the road, it might get me to flip and upgrade.
 
A G&L is not a Lull. Too bad that actually need to stated here. G&L is in the same neighborhood as mass produced U.S.-made Fenders in terms of quality, or slightly better, and have traditionally been at around the same price points or a bit cheaper.

A short necked bass being priced the same as a regular long necked bass of similar build quality goes against over 50 years of typical pricing structures for a musical instrument line. When did Fender ever sell Mustang Basses for the same as, or more than, P or J Basses?

There are not many U.S. made, good quality short necks to compare to. The closest equivalent in terms of quality is the American Performer Mustang, which retails for $1,200 without HSC (just a gig bag). This is the first American made short scale Fender bass in nearly 40 years (unless one is slipping my mind). I have it. It is built very well – no worse than any of my G&Ls (of which I have many, and which I have been using for almost 25 years). The finish quality is excellent – better than most U.S. Fenders of the past that I have tried. I still felt it was overpriced for the level of quality and the bag that it came with.

As for them being "limited edition," as explained before that is a misnomer. "Limited edition" means that a maker caps production numbers at a set amount, and runs an edition on spec (meaning without them having been pre-ordered by retailers)...then tries to sell them to dealers. What is happening with the Fallout Bass is a limited production period, not a limited edition. They will make only as many as are ordered (a method that provides zero gamble to the manufacturer, because they know that everything they are making will sell), for a limited time only (orders close at the end of November). But they have not capped production at a set number, so it's not a "limited edition."

I can see the exclusive features (matching head, stripes) adding $200–$300 to the retail price. So that makes a theoretical Fullerton Deluxe version $1,400–$1,500 – in line with their Fullerton Deluze JBs and LB-100s. But again, a short neck being priced the same as a long neck is very odd.

The information I reported comes from a G&L sales rep (i.e. one of G&'s salespeople), and was reported to a retailer, as I explained. If anyone knows the pricing history of a G&L product, and will be straight up about it to anyone else, it's a sales rep speaking to one of his retailers. What does Steve do at G&L? Are you one of his customers (i.e. a G&L retailer)?

FWIW, I ordered mine. The dealer gave it to me for $1,356, due to the price sneakiness on G&L's part with this launch. That's basically the originally intended retail price plus shipping.

;):) That first line is adorable...It reminds me of something my daughter would say to me.

- Regarding the pricing...Well to be honest...I actually don't care what G&L is selling it for. I meet a couple of people in this thread that I like, wanted to do "the good bug thang" share some detail from someone that works there and not a third party. I have zero stake in any of this and again...dont care :thumbsup:

-I'm glad you got the bass for the price you wanted.

-As far as me being a customer ;) No I'm not...However I will be playing an event that Steve is involved with at NAMM. The JT Bass Jam and will have the slot with my band, right before the headliner again (which I think this year is Stu Hamm). Please come up and say Hello. I meet several SoCal talkbass-ers at these events (serious).
 
I’ve wondered about this. It’s a bit of a perception thing that “smaller” should cost less. To some degree it is less material, and shipping and inventory costs might be lower. I think the lower demand for short scales also tweaks things on the supply/demand curve. Regardless, this is a quality instrument being built in America, so the argument for them pricing it at $1,699 is understandable. If it’s a small quantity limited run, then they won’t get certain efficiencies of a bigger production (economies of scale).

If I was a short scale enthusiast, it might’ve been worth it for me. As a guy looking to test the short scale waters, it was a barrier. I ended up with $599 (sale) priced MIM Mustang and that scratched my itch. If a lower priced G&L option pops up down the road, it might get me to flip and upgrade.

Are you talking about the Guitar Center and Musician's Friend exclusive all black one? If so, I just ordered that. I could not resist buying an ebony boarded Mustang Bass – first time in Fender's history they've made that. And to make it better, the headstock is black too. It isn't like you can go to any one of a number of places and order a Mustang Bass neck to your specifications, like you can with J and P necks, so I felt it was important to grab an ebony one while I could. Not a fan of the all black look, but it gave me the killer ebony board and matching headstock. Everything else that's part of the all black looks can be replaced. I already have a chrome bridge and tuners, and a mint guard, that will replace the "none more black" parts. Eventually, it'll get a tort guard. First re-fret, it'll get some more radius added, and "vintage" frets.