Sir Robert Gallien of Stockton has given his blessing on 212 + 112 stack. Don't have the link handy, but he claims this is OK provided you act responsibly.
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That much I know. My question is why one works, and the other doesn't. It would seem that they are both the same type of switch, and should perform the same operation for both amps. Just curiosity on my part.
I found the 410 to dominate the 212. The 410 is much louder, low frequency heavy and kind of mid-scooped. It overpowers the evenness of the 212. Kind of makes the 212 redundant. Now on its own, the 410 is s great cab and its unique characte shines. Paired with the 212, the characteristics of both cabs get lost. My experience. YMMV.
I guess we're going to have eq, instrument, technique and hand/approach differences... and ears, defining these things for us. Hence the standard YMMV disclaim. Lol, totally get it.
I'll have to bring my bass and cab to Guitar Center and give it a whirl I guess!
I'll have to bring my bass and cab to Guitar Center and give it a whirl I guess!
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Good point, especially if the Neo410 is 4-ohm and the Neo212-II is 8-ohm. I was using my 2001RB, which allows me to drive one cab harder than the other, so I was able to balance them out.
Aha! That is a meaningful detail, thanks for adding that in. It did occur to me that with a stereo power amp you could balance the two cabs though.
The Neo 410 is available as either 4 or 8 ohms. The 8-ohm version is what is most commonly available in market.
I use a single-channel amp -- a 1001RB -- and I found the 8-ohm 410 noticible louder than the 212, to the point that its characteristics dominated and the 212 basically "filled in." I much prefer the sound of either the 410 and 212 alone (and 115, as well) -- better yet, two of the same.
Also, the weight of the 410, though light for a 410, is more than I like to deal with. The 212 is 25% lighter. So, I sold my 410 and now run two 212s.
Do you find you get a comparable lows output with the 2x212s as you got with a single 410?
I find two 8-ohm 212s louder than one 8-ohm 410. The amp runs at 4 ohms and the speakers are closer to my ears.
The 410 is tuned lower, so it carries more low end. I find it boomy. (YMMV!) The 212s are tuned a little higher -- just enough to knock out the boom -- but they have plenty of low end. No sacrifice there. I play five-string basses, often tuned a half-step down, and the 212s handle the low B/Bb vey well.
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This makes a certain amount of sense in that 4 10s are moving more air than 2 12s. And though I kinda like a smaller rig, I'm digging the easy carry of the NEO 212s.
Ok, I'm all done with my inquiry, thanks for your time, everybody!
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I just wanted to say that we are sooo lucky to have people here with so much knowledge and so willing to share it with the rest of us. From the bottom of my heart, thank you gentlemen!
Hello to all. I'm new to the site and have a few questions that I hope that with your help I can get answers. I'm an active bass player and I'm currently playing latin music... mostly Salsa music. I have an Ibanez SR505 5 String with Bartolini pickups/electronics. My amp is a GK 1001RB MarkII. For speakers I'm using a Hartke 210 2.5 Module. The cab was given to me by a friend but when I tested it one of the original speakers was damaged. I replaced the speakers with 2 Eminence PRO 350 watts @ 16 Ohms each wired @ 8 Ohms. The amp is kicking the speakers *sses up so bad. I fear they could give in at any moment and the worst would be if they go out during a performance. Because y'all know the rest of the rest of the band is going to get so lost so quick it's gonna be a disaster. Besides that, the cab is not giving me the clean sound I want. I was wondering if I could better my sound by adding a rack crossover. If that's a good option, how it goes connected with the 1001RB? I have never use anything more than the bass amp by itself. I just play with the controls and look for the best sound I can get out of it. I've been thinking also about making an isolated cab maybe with a 15" plus a 10" and a tweeter or size down to a 12" plus an 8" and a tweeter just to keep it as light as possible. I've heard about the AccuGroove cabs and it's "isolated" way to make a super clean sound. But they're out of my pocket range. Any suggestions are greatly appreciated. God bless and que viva la música!!!
A 210 by itself can be a tough go with a loud band, especially if you have a horn section, IME. If you set it flat on the floor so it's firing at your ankles, it's very tough to hear it, regardless of your amp settings. Have you tried using the cab in a vertical orientation, or elevated off the floor? That alone might help you better monitor what's going on.
I'm not sure how you were thinking of using a crossover. I think the 1001 already has one built in, but you need a GK cab to utilize the "horn amp" as intended. I'm not sure if that 50W amp can be used with other non-GK cabs, but this forum would be the place to find the answer, because I don't think GK would recommend it in their manual.
I'm also pretty sure that's not what you meant by using a "rack crossover". Sure, you could split your amp's full-range signal through a cross-over and send the lows to a woofer cab and the highs to another cab, like your existing 210, but you'd need another power amp and another cab somewhere in the signal chain. It would be complicated. I have to share that I've never had very impressive results bi-amping bass ...sorry, though I also admit I've never tried the GK bi-amp system. Your best bet might be to find another 210 cab and stack them vertically. It's a bit odd looking, but the added speaker area would give you much more volume and would definitely point the output at your head for monitoring.
I'm not familiar with the AccuGroove system, though when I've heard their cabs on stage they sound great. Good luck and I hope this helps.
Welcome to Talkbass!
I'm not sure how you were thinking of using a crossover. I think the 1001 already has one built in, but you need a GK cab to utilize the "horn amp" as intended. I'm not sure if that 50W amp can be used with other non-GK cabs, but this forum would be the place to find the answer, because I don't think GK would recommend it in their manual.
I'm also pretty sure that's not what you meant by using a "rack crossover". Sure, you could split your amp's full-range signal through a cross-over and send the lows to a woofer cab and the highs to another cab, like your existing 210, but you'd need another power amp and another cab somewhere in the signal chain. It would be complicated. I have to share that I've never had very impressive results bi-amping bass ...sorry, though I also admit I've never tried the GK bi-amp system. Your best bet might be to find another 210 cab and stack them vertically. It's a bit odd looking, but the added speaker area would give you much more volume and would definitely point the output at your head for monitoring.
I'm not familiar with the AccuGroove system, though when I've heard their cabs on stage they sound great. Good luck and I hope this helps.
Welcome to Talkbass!
Hi TomB. I'm currently placing the cab vertically. I haven't tried placing it on an elevated position though. That's something to consider. As for the use of a crossover... I'm thinking more towards using an 2 or 3 way isolated cab and a way to send different frequency signals to the drivers. As for the ability to use and take advantage of the dual amp the 1001RB has, the answer is yes. I just need to wire the 4 pole speakon cable properly and voilá. I've also thought of adding a 15" or 12" cab underneath the 210 cab but my current vehicle doesn't have that much space to carry all of that. Plus... I'm an old man. LOL! ☺ I do appreciate your input greatly. It's always good to have other people perspective and to share ideas to help each other.
Thank you so much Tom!
Eddie
Thank you so much Tom!
Eddie
The 1001RB can easily kick the crap out of MANY cabinets -- your safest bet is another 8ohm 210 to stack (vertically) with your existing cab.
If you're looking to stay at a 210.. check out a Fearless F210. It'll handle that 1001RB with ease, and beg for more
That would be a GREAT option...except his comment about "pocket range" had me thinking of more affordable options.
Well since this is the GK Club, here's my NEO 212-IIs:
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Eddie:
I guess you could use the 50 watt amp of the 1001 separately, but it's really there specifically to drive the horns only, in GK biamp ready cabs. It wouldn't be a great choice to drive a 10" or 8" with, IMO.
If I were you, I'd ditch your Hartke cab and get a GK Neo 212.
I guess you could use the 50 watt amp of the 1001 separately, but it's really there specifically to drive the horns only, in GK biamp ready cabs. It wouldn't be a great choice to drive a 10" or 8" with, IMO.
If I were you, I'd ditch your Hartke cab and get a GK Neo 212.
