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If you find yourself in western central Arizona you are welcome to try my NEO 212 II and/or NEO412 I.
Well, after doing some A/Bing with the help of TB's Tallboybass, I guess I'm gonna stick with my 2 NEO 212II's. I had thought about trading him one of my 212's and some cash for his NEO 412. After playing both the 212 stack and the 412 side by side, to my ears, the 212 stack seemed louder with better low end response. I guess the slightly bigger combined size of the 212 stack contributed to the difference in sound? I'm no amp genius, so I really don't know why the perceived difference was there, but to my ears, there definitely was a difference.
In truth, I really don't NEED a second 212, or a 412. The single 212 can cover a fairly loud gig on it's own pretty well. But we all know that with amps, cabs , basses,...it's rarely about what we actually NEED. Usually it runs more to what do we WANT!
Anyway,...thanks to Alan for letting me do the shootout. It was fun , and fairly enlightening. BTW, the shootout head was a GK MBF800. Both configurations sounded GREAT!!!!
In truth, I really don't NEED a second 212, or a 412. The single 212 can cover a fairly loud gig on it's own pretty well. But we all know that with amps, cabs , basses,...it's rarely about what we actually NEED. Usually it runs more to what do we WANT!
Anyway,...thanks to Alan for letting me do the shootout. It was fun , and fairly enlightening. BTW, the shootout head was a GK MBF800. Both configurations sounded GREAT!!!!
Truth be told my one NEO 212 II covers 99% of the gigs, but I just can't resist having the 412 (series I) when I have the room on stage .
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Weening myself off the Berg CN212 with MB800. Never *needed* a second cab but wanted one, more speakers and closer to the ear. The though the head could not take it, never mind the wallet. Using a MB112 and considering a flock of MBP's. 6x12 would be wonderful.
Q. Would a stack of MBP be the same height as a stack of MB+MBP?
Q. Would a stack of MBP be the same height as a stack of MB+MBP?
buldog5151bass
Kibble, milkbones, and P Basses. And redheads.
I'll be out there in the spring actually. If I'm still looking I may call on ya. Thanks.
Truth be told my one NEO 212 II covers 99% of the gigs, but I just can't resist having the 412 (series I) when I have the room on stage
You got that right. Two NEO 212's are overkill, but man what a sound.
My 800RB only works with a cable in the effects loop. I did the deoxit thing on that sucker too. Anybody know what I can do to remedy that? Thanks in advance.
Take the top panel off, you may need to spray the switch contacts on the effects return jack directly with a GOOD contact cleaner and possibly retention the effects return jack. The switch contacts on the return jack connect the preamp and power amp when no plug is installed.
Truth be told my one NEO 212 II covers 99% of the gigs, but I just can't resist having the 412 (series I) when I have the room on stage
Hey B-string!
How do you maneuver the 212 around?
Dolly, casters, another band member?
The neo 412 for me is simple.
I would think I'd prefer the 412 over the 212 most the time.
Sometimes it's a one trip for me with the 412.
Right now I'm not allowed to carry much, cleared to carry the 4 string in a soft case is about it. Band members move it all. Now after it has been out to a few, just one picks it up with the handles. Two people is just a waste of manpower its so light and easy.
Sorry to hear about the weight restrictions. I figured the 212 is pretty light.
I remember carrying 90 lb. Avatar 4x10 and being exhausted before a gig. Another time my fingers being strained for carrying it up the stairs.
Had major back surgery and was just cleared for over 10 lbs., told to keep it under 20 till we know if the fusion is successful (which is still many weeks away).
Greetings,
Stupid question- I'm hoping some of you GK experts can help me out with.
I just traded with a guy on CL for an old MB2 500 head. It's sounds pretty good on the clean channel (through a Neo 2x12), but when I push in the boost button (G.I.V.E. channel), I don't seem to have any control on the accompanying Master B knob. With the pre-gain barely cracked open, when I begin turning up the boost knob, sound comes through even with the Master B knob is still closed. Going up to 50% on the boost and raising the pre-gain raises the volume level up by themselves, and then opening the Master B sends it into scary loud speaker sounds like it's going to blow soon orbit. It doesn't seem right, no sound should go through the amp if the master controlling that particular channel is closed, correct?
I'm assuming this is not normal, as with my RB400 III, I could turn up the boost and raise pre-gain as much as I wanted, and then start easing up on the (single) Master Volume to taste. The previous owner never used the boost channel on the amp in question, so doesn't have any idea what I'm talking about- aaarrrrg! And stupidly, I didn't test out the boost channel before trading.
Any ideas would be greatly appreciated.
Stupid question- I'm hoping some of you GK experts can help me out with.
I just traded with a guy on CL for an old MB2 500 head. It's sounds pretty good on the clean channel (through a Neo 2x12), but when I push in the boost button (G.I.V.E. channel), I don't seem to have any control on the accompanying Master B knob. With the pre-gain barely cracked open, when I begin turning up the boost knob, sound comes through even with the Master B knob is still closed. Going up to 50% on the boost and raising the pre-gain raises the volume level up by themselves, and then opening the Master B sends it into scary loud speaker sounds like it's going to blow soon orbit. It doesn't seem right, no sound should go through the amp if the master controlling that particular channel is closed, correct?
I'm assuming this is not normal, as with my RB400 III, I could turn up the boost and raise pre-gain as much as I wanted, and then start easing up on the (single) Master Volume to taste. The previous owner never used the boost channel on the amp in question, so doesn't have any idea what I'm talking about- aaarrrrg! And stupidly, I didn't test out the boost channel before trading.
Any ideas would be greatly appreciated.
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I notice the 412 Neo apparently at one time came with a vintage Fender-like panel (what is the name for that?) over the front speakers instead of the metal grill they have now as seen, on their website and authorized online dealers.
Can anyone tell me
1. When did this change happen?
2. What are different besides the grill?
Thanks!
Can anyone tell me
1. When did this change happen?
2. What are different besides the grill?
Thanks!
Perhaps it works like the B channel on my MB800:
Channel A is like a rack preamp with no master volume. The gain knob is the only volume control on that channel, so if you crank it, it will get stupid loud. Keeping the channel A gain down, gives you lots of clean headroom.
"Channel B" doesn't exist as an actual second channel. Gain B and the B channel master, are just the two halves of a foot switchable overdrive circuit.
It shares the same tone control section as channel A, but it has an extra volume control just before the output to the power amp. This lets you boost gain B for dirty sounds, but still control the overall output relative to channel A.
You have to dime the B master, in order to bring it up to unity gain with channel A. It's just an attenuator for the B channel, not a master volume control for the whole amp.
The Master Volume control is after both channels, like the power amp volume control in a rack rig- it controls the overall level fed to the cab, independent of all the preamp controls.
No the NEO412 always had the metal grill. I have the original (series I) it is a little larger and about 26lbs heavier. Must have been a custom grill or a different series cab like an 810 that had grill cloth.
