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Genz Benz Shuttle 9.0 discussion thread

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agedhorse said:
So, for the techies here I hope this helps, and for you other guys I hope it didn't bore you to death.
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That...was...AWESOME! Thanks a lot for spelling all of this out! I've been considering upgrading my Shuttle 6 for a 9 or a Max12.0 and had heard a lot of anecdotal info flying around. It's great to get some actual design concept info, straight from the agedHorse's mouth.

I considered asking if you'd share the differences in actual HPF corner frequency, filter topology/order, etc - but honestly I don't think that's as useful as the overall description you provided.

Looks like the Max12.0 it will be, for me!
 
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The problem with trying to give specific frequencies is that they are interactive with other components and variables in the signal path, the slopes are asymmetrical and are inter-related with other variables, so there is no single set of numbers. To try to do so would not be useful and would probably cause more confusion than anything else. Even the order of the filter is inconclusive because it depends on where you make the measurements and how other voicing functions are positioned. There is compound, asymmetrical stuff going on which results in different response curves than a casual glance might indicate.

This smooth interaction between the multiple voicing circuits is part of the "secret sauce" that makes the amp sound/feel/play the way it does. It's the result of (in my case) 25+ years designing these kinds of products.
 
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This post is just so I can easily find this thread later. I've got the 6.0 and while I have twinges of GAS for the 9.0, the 6.0 has never let me down in any way so I will be sticking with the 6.0. I use the 6.0 with a NeoX 212T, and I'm very happy with the rig. There, I just said a very nice thing about Genz products and I'm not an endorser. Another internet meme bites the dust. Furthermore, although I like my Genz rig, I have nothing bad to say about other products or the people that use them*. Wow! Another meme dead.

KO

*except maybe Behringer.
 
#25
agedhorse said:
All of these amps are switchable between 115/230/240V, making them more attractive to the international touring guys.
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This is one thing I had been wondering about recently. I suppose I could have found it out sooner or later, but it's nice to have it served right up like this. Very good to know, since I expect to become one of those international touring guys before much longer... :)

MM
 
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Awesome extensive post, would you mind commenting as to where the NeoPak fits in, in comparison to all these?

agedhorse said:
Let me clarify on some of the speculations regarding the differences in the various perceived differences between the GBE, Shuttles and ShuttleMax's to keep this thread from becoming one of constant second-guessing.

So, for the techies here I hope this helps, and for you other guys I hope it didn't bore you to death.
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agedhorse said:
The problem with trying to give specific frequencies is that they are interactive with other components and variables in the signal path, the slopes are asymmetrical and are inter-related with other variables, so there is no single set of numbers. To try to do so would not be useful and would probably cause more confusion than anything else. Even the order of the filter is inconclusive because it depends on where you make the measurements and how other voicing functions are positioned. There is compound, asymmetrical stuff going on which results in different response curves than a casual glance might indicate.

This smooth interaction between the multiple voicing circuits is part of the "secret sauce" that makes the amp sound/feel/play the way it does. It's the result of (in my case) 25+ years designing these kinds of products.
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Very cool. Thank you for the clarification on how things are set up. I do appreciate you taking the time. I can't wait to get my hands on a 9.0.

Zach
 
#31
agedhorse said:
This smooth interaction between the multiple voicing circuits is part of the "secret sauce"
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...and it goes good with what I play.

kraigo said:
I use the 6.0 with a NeoX 212T, and I'm very happy with the rig
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Got the same rig, and I'm very content. It's got me covered and does everything I need(and then some). I would, however, love to indulge and tryout the 9.0 through some Ubers.
 
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agedhorse said:
The problem with trying to give specific frequencies is that they are interactive with other components and variables in the signal path, the slopes are asymmetrical and are inter-related with other variables, so there is no single set of numbers. To try to do so would not be useful and would probably cause more confusion than anything else. Even the order of the filter is inconclusive because it depends on where you make the measurements and how other voicing functions are positioned. There is compound, asymmetrical stuff going on which results in different response curves than a casual glance might indicate.

This smooth interaction between the multiple voicing circuits is part of the "secret sauce" that makes the amp sound/feel/play the way it does. It's the result of (in my case) 25+ years designing these kinds of products.
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in other words,

just play the dam thing and pick one. ;)
 
#35
kaiser_sosea said:
Awesome extensive post, would you mind commenting as to where the NeoPak fits in, in comparison to all these?
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Oh good grief, I can't believe I forgot to mention the NeoPak which was our first conclusive step into the real lightweight world.

The NeoPak is voiced kind of between the GBE and the Shuttle 6.0... in part because it shares much of the same signal path of the GBE's, tailored just a little differently, but it has the eq section of the Shuttle. There's more similar with all of these than different, though.
 
#37
sk8 said:
I wish GB would fly the stuff to the UK on launch instead of by ship :D It would mean my 9.0 would have arrived by now :)

Can't wait to try it with my Neox 212
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that's not up to us I'm afraid. Its up to our distributor. :)
 
#38
stjohn1299 said:
If anyone can comment on if the 9.0 is a warmer tone that other shuttles.
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I looked but didn't find the answer. Have you tried the other Shuttles as this comment seems to imply? Were you not pleased with them? I've not heard the 9.0, but most of the Genz stuff has an upper-mid clarity and a bit of a glassy treble response. I really like it, but you can control that by cutting the treble a bit and boosting the low-mids to compensate. If you have a passive tone control on your bass, it's even easier if that's what you're after.

Addendum to last post: the tone I'm looking for is warm, and tubey, yet clean. Not a big fan of bass overdrive. I play mainly classic rock and alt rock. Cab (will be) an Avatar 2x12 and bass is a EBMM Sterling 4.
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You can control the amount of tube warmth easily by adjusting the gain and channel volume such that it can be a very clean tone if you like. One thing I had to learn was that recording with it can be a bit decieving however. What I mean is that I ran the DI in Post-EQ so that I could send a warm tone to the board in the studio. I used a small cabinet as a monitor hanging off the Shuttle, not a feed from the board. The tone through the monitor was warm but clean, however the recorded tone was a bit more gritty. I think that more of the nuance of the tube comes through in a recording, so I had to back off the gain even further to get the recorded sound I want. The nice thing is that it sounded excellent when I figured this out. The DI on the Genz heads are excellent, and the preamp gives you plenty of control to make it an excellent recording tool! I even prefer it to the Avalon U5 by far since it sounds just as warm, but you have control over the tone with the EQ section.
 
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