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Genz Benz Shuttle 9.0 discussion thread

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As far as warmth I think that is a very misleading subject. With the EQ available on any of the Shuttle/Shuttle Max's one should be able to dial up about any tone.

I can only say definitively about the Shuttle Max 12.0 as I have have not owned any of the others. The 12.0 can be as warm as you want it or a Mid Heavy, Bright, Bottom Boo-my, etc.......

There is a certain amount of more Tonal Control on the Max's but I would think one could get where he needed to be on the Shuttles.

I for one would like to see a one channel version of the 9.0 that had a Max style Channel but in the same size as the Shuttles. That may not be possible though. That being said I have yet to play the 9.0 and could possibly be full of bull. I know the tone of the 12.0 is far more advanced and more 3D than my LMIII but I prefer the smaller size of the LMIII. I'm hoping the 9.0 will be the end to the discussion.

I'm especially thankful for the frankness of the guys from Genz Benz. I have grown weary of the checkers mentality over specs, information, etc... from another manufacturer. I know they all "reserve the right to change specs without notification" but give me a break. It's this way, no it's this way, no it's this way and has been all along. I wonder if this is not a way to see if TB'ers can even tell the difference between minor circuit changes or not. A game to which I'd rather not play.

Anyway I am gassing for one of these Shuttle 9.0's and hopefully will have one soon. I really am thinking this will be the end all of the Light Weight Amps. I can not see how you would want many more features, a smaller or lighter amp, or other things I'm not thinking of. I would not want one that was 2,000 watts and could fit in my shirt pocket.
 
#43
Eublet said:
You can control the amount of tube warmth easily by adjusting the gain and channel volume such that it can be a very clean tone if you like. One thing I had to learn was that recording with it can be a bit decieving however. What I mean is that I ran the DI in Post-EQ so that I could send a warm tone to the board in the studio. I used a small cabinet as a monitor hanging off the Shuttle, not a feed from the board. The tone through the monitor was warm but clean, however the recorded tone was a bit more gritty. I think that more of the nuance of the tube comes through in a recording, so I had to back off the gain even further to get the recorded sound I want. The nice thing is that it sounded excellent when I figured this out. The DI on the Genz heads are excellent, and the preamp gives you plenty of control to make it an excellent recording tool! I even prefer it to the Avalon U5 by far since it sounds just as warm, but you have control over the tone with the EQ section.
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Here's one reason why this is what you hear. The voicing of a typical bass cabinet colors the sound differently, this is where the industry has gone because this is whatthe players have preferred. This means that when you do record, you must listen to what's going onto "tape" rather than your bass cabinet when adjusting for your desired tracked tone. It's the same thing as with guitar or keys when you use something other than cans off the tracking console's foldback bus.
 
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Red Planet said:
I for one would like to see a one channel version of the 9.0 that had a Max style Channel but in the same size as the Shuttles. That may not be possible though. That being said I have yet to play the 9.0 and could possibly be full of bull. I know the tone of the 12.0 is far more advanced and more 3D than my LMIII but I prefer the smaller size of the LMIII. I'm hoping the 9.0 will be the end to the discussion.
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We are about 2" short of cramming (yes they would end up getting crammed) The ShuttleMax channel and filter features into the Shuttle 9 chassis. There's only so much panel space ;)
 
#45
agedhorse said:
We are about 2" short of cramming (yes they would end up getting crammed) The ShuttleMax channel and filter features into the Shuttle 9 chassis. There's only so much panel space ;)
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You would have had me. It might have even been worth the extra panel size - not Shuttle Max sized, but bigger than a Shuttle 6.0. I can't decide whether I think the second semi-parametric or the variable filters are more important if one or the other had to go.

I'm glad you didn't - then I would have had to sell me Shuttle 6.0 and bag to buy the 9.0 and the 9.0 wouldn't fit in my bass gig bag, which the Shuttle 6.0 (and bag) does.

idontneedtheextrawattage, idontneedtheextrawattage, idontneedtheextrawattage, idontneedtheextrawattage...

KO
 
#47
Shuttle 6 and 9 are the exact same physical size

kraigo said:
You would have had me. It might have even been worth the extra panel size - not Shuttle Max sized, but bigger than a Shuttle 6.0. I can't decide whether I think the second semi-parametric or the variable filters are more important if one or the other had to go.

I'm glad you didn't - then I would have had to sell me Shuttle 6.0 and bag to buy the 9.0 and the 9.0 wouldn't fit in my bass gig bag, which the Shuttle 6.0 (and bag) does.

idontneedtheextrawattage, idontneedtheextrawattage, idontneedtheextrawattage, idontneedtheextrawattage...

KO
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#49
I tried the 9.0 out on Thursday night and I'm going back to pick it up on Monday. It sounded amazing with my Stingray through a 4 ohm Eden 210XLT and an 8 ohm 410XLT (not at the same time, obviously), and I'm sure it's going to rock through my Berg HT322 @ 4ohms.

I'm thinking for upright and lower volume electric gigs that I'm going to pick up a smaller 8ohm cab and maybe use it in combination with the headphone out.

Not an endorser, but I've always been fond of the GB line and I think I'm ready to fill out the paperwork if this head works out as well as I anticipate... ;)
 
#50
I did my first live recording with my Shuttle 9 yesterday.. I ran all controls at 12 noon but pushed in the LF boost. Dialed the Gain to give ever so slight tube compression... Channel volume at 3 oclock.. and set the DI out to POST/MIC which i never do. I always run it PRE.. butit was an experiment.. they also had a seperate countryman channel just in case.. Looks like the DI out of the amp is the one were going to use...
I really like the LF engaged.. huge fatness on the booty end without being tubby.. similar but still different than the reddi.. the reddi is my killer DI to be honest..but italso a 700 dollar DI only unit..
The DI out of my Shuttle9 with tube comp happening was sweet...
Bass was my franken Fender jazz bass with passive alleva coppolo pups

I would not hesitate at all to use the Shuttle DI out to record
 
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agedhorse said:
Here's one reason why this is what you hear. The voicing of a typical bass cabinet colors the sound differently, this is where the industry has gone because this is whatthe players have preferred. This means that when you do record, you must listen to what's going onto "tape" rather than your bass cabinet when adjusting for your desired tracked tone. It's the same thing as with guitar or keys when you use something other than cans off the tracking console's foldback bus.
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Yeah, that's what I done every other time, usually wearing head phones. This one time was in a small church studio, and I was the odd man out as they ran out of phones. I had to go back and punch in all my stuff after because it was just too gritty. Lesson learned!
 
#52
Red Planet said:
As far as warmth I think that is a very misleading subject. With the EQ available on any of the Shuttle/Shuttle Max's one should be able to dial up about any tone.
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I don't think so. Close perhaps, especially with the MAX and the two semi-parametric controls. There are just certain nuances with different heads/preamps that are hard to replicate just by changing EQ on another head. There's a warmth and character on my RH450 that I can't quite get with the Shuttle or LMII. There is a clean punch in the LMII that I can't quite get with the RH450 or Shuttle. There is a clarity and sheen (that 3D thing people mention) on the Shuttle that I can't quite get with the LMII or RH450.

Would anyone notice at a gig, or even if they walked up on stage? Doubtful, even if I pointed it out to them, but that's what makes us bass players. For bottom dwellers, we can be very persnickety!
 
#53
svtb15 said:
Shuttle 6 and 9 are the exact same physical size
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I know. I don't really need the wattage and the preamps are pretty much the same, so I can resist. If it had been what UkiahBass is suggesting: No filters, a second semi-parametric and perhaps a tube bypass switch it would have been compelling enough for me to consider it. Or, if it were 2" wider and had a ShuttleMax front end, it again might have been compelling. As it is it's a great product that I can resist because it's so similar to the Shuttle 6.0.

KO
 
#55
Does anyone know if I could use the Aux In for a separate instrument, say to run my Conklin Electric Upright through a Fishman pre and then to the Aux In so I could level out the two instruments?

Also, could I run out of the send of the effects loop, into an effects unit, and then into the Aux In to blend my effected sound with my clean tone?

Also, is the cable for the footswitch hardwired into it or is it removable?
 
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Modulator said:
Does anyone know if I could use the Aux In for a separate instrument, say to run my Conklin Electric Upright through a Fishman pre and then to the Aux In so I could level out the two instruments?
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Yes, provided the preamp will get you close to +4 line level. This input will set your reference volume and you will then need to balance this with either the regular input channel volume or the volume control, on the Fishman pre.


Modulator said:
Also, could I run out of the send of the effects loop, into an effects unit, and then into the Aux In to blend my effected sound with my clean tone?[/quote}
Not a good idea, porential to conflict with signal path routing. Better to use the wet/dry blend control on your effects unit. This will also eliminate the possibility of any unintentional polarity inversions.

Modulator said:
Also, is the cable for the footswitch hardwired into it or is it removable?
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Hardwired at the switch, plugs into the back of the amp.
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#57
Ukiah Bass said:
Ditch the 3 usually-unused shaping buttons and you'll have the space. But be sure to include a tube on/off button. That'll be the holy grail.
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A lot of players find these filters quite useful, I expect they would be unhappy without them. They are also variable, making them even more useful to the folks that do use them.
 
#58
As luck would have it, I finally tried a Shuttle 6 Combo today with an Am Std P Bass. I was very impressed with the preamp voicing. I was able to find many useful tones, and it was a warmer tone that I was looking for as I talked about before. I find the EQ section to be plenty for my needs. Also, while I wouldn't use the filter buttons often, I could hear nice differences in using them. I believe the 9 will be a better fit power-wise with the cabs I will have. I liked the 6 enough to say, that I will probably get the 9 sight-unseen since it's voicing is largely based on the 6, but deeper. Thanks to everyone for the wealth of opinions and information!
 
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Dr Funk said:
Variable on the 9.0 how?
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My comment goes back to the discussion of fitting a shuttlemax channel into a 9.0 chassis, ditching the variable tone shaping filters takes away a feature that many folks really like and use regularly. Of course there are some nfolks who don't use them, but an amp must be as useful as possible to as many potential users as possible.
 
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