Is this considered full volume for this amp? Beyond this point on the gain knob I start getting a clip light on the input o/l not to mention more unwanted distortion.
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Genz Benz Shuttle 9.0 discussion thread
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Just like any amp it depends on your input signal. In order to have enough room to get max volume out of any likely input signal, the point at which you hit max volume will vary based on the strength of the input signal
(p.s. input signal)
Due to the variation in the output levels of instruments, there's no reliable way to tell if any given knob positions might represent an amp's full volume potential. However, if it is output amp distortion you're hearing (and not the tube being overdriven), then it sounds like you hit the volume limit.
Don't get me wrong, I think the Shuttle 9.0 sounds great and is loud for a four pound amp; I just assumed it would be a little louder than it is and louder than my old TE AH350SMX. At this point I'm just trying to decide what cab combination to move to in order to get the most out of the amp.
Have you tried a different bass? With the gain at 2:00, the vol dimed and the master dimed the room should have imploded. Something's not right.
I agree that something is wrong. This weekend my rig was Stingray 5>Shuttle 9>Bergantino HT322. With the gain and volume each at 2 o'clock I had the master at 9 o'clock and the sound guys at both shows (both bassists) were telling me to turn down.
It's a good idea to review the manual for that G-B head, too. I have the 6.0, not the 9.0, but with the G-B gear tripping some lights on the head doesn't indicate that you have a problem at all.
Not sure what the deal is here. My Shuttle 9.0 like to have blown the drivers clean out of my 800 watt 4x10 cab first time I turned it on.
Is that a 4ohm cab? Maybe I need quit playing with the 2x10s and go get a light 4ohm 4x10 and see what happens.Not sure what the deal is here. My Shuttle 9.0 like to have blown the drivers clean out of my 800 watt 4x10 cab first time I turned it on.
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My Shuttle 9 easily pushes my 1x12 speakers right up to hit the grill.... freaked me out when i herd the Thump/Bang
Any comments on Shuttle 9.0 reliability? My Ashdown ABM-500 has never missed a beat in 10 years (though use was sporadic for a few of those years). Maybe it hasn't been out long enough to have sufficient data.
Yeah I hooked to my 4 ohm Golight 4x10 and dang near had an explotion.
Lately I have been running it through my 8 ohm Golight 1x15 and that has been suficient for my needs. I have the Golight 2x10 as well but it is light in the britches because it is a small cab. Now it is really easy to move the 2x10 so one has to take that into account. I have played a small gig with it and it worked well.
I like more boom though so I use the 1x15 most of the time.
I'm wondering if a single 4ohm 4x10 would put out more volume that a pair of 8ohm 2x10s? I'm not really a stacker by the way, I like all the cabs coupled to the ground. Also, I am assuming that the Shuttle 9.0 could not handle running a single 8ohm 2x10 AND a 40hm 4x10 cab at the same. Guessing that's an either/or proposition.
Depends. In theory, there should be no difference within manufacturer. However, many manufacturers don't spec their 210's to be 'half the 410' model. For example, 2 x 8ohm Epifani 210UL's sounds bigger and deeper than a 4ohm 410UL, while two 8ohm Goliath Jr's don't have quite the wump of the Goliath III 4ohm (IME). The Bergantino AE210 x 2 seems pretty close in volume and tone to the AE410, etc., etc.
All in all though, you will be within 80% of the performance either way IMO and IME.
The real question is if you want a modular system or one big cab. I was never a fan of modular rigs, since it requires you to hall two cabs for larger gigs (I prefer a single 410 with castors). So, I have a 'small gig cab' and a 'large gig cab'. Others like the modularity of two identical cabs (like 210's).
I had a AE410 and sold it and bought (2) AE210's. I don't notice any difference with this setup, except my back likes not carrying the 410 up and down the basement steps! I stack them vertically, helps me hear better on stage and takes up less room. Just my experience!
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I think the bigger consideration with this could be in transportation and handling requirements. Some vehicles may require 2 separate smaller cabinets and not be able to accommodate a larger cabinet. I have to agree with Ken, for me it's easier to roll in a UL410 or UL610. IMHO.
I think the bigger consideration with this could be in transportation and handling requirements. Some vehicles may require 2 separate smaller cabinets and not be able to accommodate a larger cabinet. I have to agree with Ken, for me it's easier to roll in a UL410 or UL610. IMHO.
+1, and also per the previous poster, if you like to turn the 210's on their sides and stack to get the top speaker closer to ear level.
With the Berg's (as an example), it is a pure 'format/form factor' choice, with other brands, there can be quite a tonal difference also between the 2 x 210 or 410 versions.
here is a weird one , I use my epifani ul 210 ( neo speakers ) and then stack my old Bergintino ht210 ( non neo ) for my 410 combo , this weekend I will try my performance series 115 Epifani and the Bergintino ht210 as a combo rig , all of these together of course with my GB shuttle 9.0 , although I love the lighter cab's im still not 100 % sure the neo speakers hold up as well as the , well shall I say the old heavy magnet type with high power at a louder gig , they all sound great but I just notice the neo speakers getting more distorted than the magnets towards the end of the 2nd set , this weekend I will give the 2 magnet cabs the full test , my back wont like it though .
I've been experiencing a very similar issue.
When I first got my 9.0, it was smokin loud but lately I've
been able to put the amp about up to its limit with a number
of different boxes without worrying much. When I first got the
amp I would have shredded the speakers, now, not so much.
To experiment, I used my Sansamp Paradriver as my preamp
going into the effects return, essentially bypassing the preamp
in the 9.0. Whoa!! TONS OF VOLUME AND HEADROOM! This
was with my Para di flat and volume at 10:-11:00, and the
9.0 master at 12:00.
I spoke to Genz Benz about the issue. The thought is that
perhaps there is an issue with the 12ax7 tube. Its still
functioning but is somehow degraded. I'm going to see if I can
find an old tube to switch it out with whats in there now.
Genz Benz also has offered to send me another tube, if that
in fact is the issue.
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Just for the fun of it.. have you tried cleaning the EFFECTS loop..
Cycle a 1/4" jack in and out a dozen times or so in the EFFECT RETURN and SEND jacks on the rear.... sometimes the contacts may get some oxidation, causing an incomplete connection.
Just figured i would try that too.
Cycle a 1/4" jack in and out a dozen times or so in the EFFECT RETURN and SEND jacks on the rear.... sometimes the contacts may get some oxidation, causing an incomplete connection.
Just figured i would try that too.
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