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Genz Benz Shuttle 9.0 discussion thread

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I bought a 9 as a compliment to my Mesa Titan, which I had pegged to use for my larger-scale gigs. But I'm not sure I need the Titan anymore. Yes, they have different qualities and uses, but the 9 certainly has enough power, and I love the size. I might keep both because the Titan is so damn cool. But if I could only keep one, 9 is it.
 
Has anyone used the Tech 21 VT pedal in their effects chain with the 9? I'm not necessarily looking for buzz saw distortion, but more of a growling, pushed tube amp tone. I'm wondering if the VT offers up a different enough tone in that regard to compliment the 9? If not, what does?

That's not to say that I don't love the tone of the 9 on its own, because I do. This would be to give my tone some more variety to cover more ground.

EDIT: I don't want to use the VT in the effect loop as a preamp in, just want to bump it in at times for a different tone on a few things.
 
There's a lot of love for the Tech 21 VT round here, but I cant really comment on it as I've never used it, and I guess it depends on your budget as well.

I have, however just picked up a Dave Hall Amplifier (DHA) pedal - the VT2-Twin EQ bass STD. 2 valves and true bypass. It's absolutely killer, either stage one (blue) for crunch tones and stage 2 (red) for overdrive or fuzz if you want to push it that far.

I run it with my Shuttle 9 and a barefaced compact, and I get exactly the tone that I've been after for ages, but with versatility. I'd highly recommend it, but obviously this doesnt answer your VT question!! ha!
 
If you put it in the loop.. any changes that you make in the EQ or ,Gain, or Volume Knobs will affect the input to the VT making it overdrive etc.
The MASTER VOL will only affect the overall output.
You could run it as a Preamp going into the Effect RETURN Bypassing the 9 Front end.. I think it will bypass the DI out though... (not sure about that i will need to experiment )

If you run it before the 9.0 as a pedal you can switch it in and out at will. Just Volume match your gain.. one thing with that VT is that it has a hot output and slight movement of that input knob goes a long way..Would love to have a PAD but oh well.
I have not used the VT on any gigs.. Im not a pedal guy.. it works great to record as a Aux track for my purposes though



Has anyone used the Tech 21 VT pedal in their effects chain with the 9? I'm not necessarily looking for buzz saw distortion, but more of a growling, pushed tube amp tone. I'm wondering if the VT offers up a different enough tone in that regard to compliment the 9? If not, what does?

That's not to say that I don't love the tone of the 9 on its own, because I do. This would be to give my tone some more variety to cover more ground.

EDIT: I don't want to use the VT in the effect loop as a preamp in, just want to bump it in at times for a different tone on a few things.
 
That they do, but I'm not a knob twiddler on an amp. So in order to get a more overdriven tone, I'd rather punch in a pedal than alter the settings at the amp, even though it's more than capable. Believe me, the 9's own preamp will be my tone 95% of the time.
 
I just bought a 9.0 and a Schroeder light 410 after my in-ear using band broke up. I am blown away that such a lightweight setup can have such heavyweight sound.

Yeah it is just plain crazy what the 9.0 can do. I love tubes as much as the next guy but I actually prefer the 9.0's Tubey sound to my 72 Ampeg V4B. Its a warmer more gooey tone. The power of thing is just unreal.

I know we all gush about our gear but I can not stress enough how happy and satisfied I am with the Genz Benz Shuttle 9.0.

What I have found (playing wise) is that I'm so happy about the performance/tone of the 9.0 that I don't spend very much time anymore obsessing over amps. It's less of an obsession and more of "just a tool" now. If that makes any sense. I just don't have to think about tone and power anymore.
 
I know we all gush about our gear but I can not stress enough how happy and satisfied I am with the Genz Benz Shuttle 9.0.

What I have found (playing wise) is that I'm so happy about the performance/tone of the 9.0 that I don't spend very much time anymore obsessing over amps. It's less of an obsession and more of "just a tool" now. If that makes any sense. I just don't have to think about tone and power anymore.

Echo....well said. The 9.0 has become my workhorse, and I've been using it with my Aguilar GS112 cabs and occasionally the Epi UL310. Amazing tone, ridiculous portability...I simply couldn't be happier with this amp.
 
I have to say, on the gig it's my go to amp now. Due in part to portability and our sound tech absolutely praises it. I play a lot of one niter's so most importantly, it ALWAYs sounds good regardless of the venue, inside or out. And does the job that it took 2 or 3 other amps to cover properly. I use with 1 Epi UL410-4ohm or an Epi UL610 either are a great match ;)
 
I'm certainly glad to hear all these great comments about the Shuttle 9. I just sent off my PayPal payment and am supposed to have mine by the end of next week. I play most often with a blues band and will use it as part of my "one trip rig", or as a backup for my VT-300. I strive for tubey warmth that's as clean as I can get it, not grind or grit. It sounds like the Shuttle 9 fills that bill (I've demo'd one, but not as long or as extensively as I wanted).

Can't wait for the brown truck to arrive !
 
I'm certainly glad to hear all these great comments about the Shuttle 9. I just sent off my PayPal payment and am supposed to have mine by the end of next week. I play most often with a blues band and will use it as part of my "one trip rig", or as a backup for VT-300. I strive for tubey warmth that's as clean as I can get it, not grind or grit. It sounds like the Shuttle 9 fills that bill (I've demo'd one, but not as long or as extensively as I wanted).

You'll be very happy I suspect. :D
 
I did a gig tonight on rental gear.. there were to be two Schroeder cabs there and i was going to bring the Shuttle9.. Im glad i brought my MAX12 since the cabs were two 4 ohm cabs.
So i put one on each side of the MAx12.. Holy Molly!!!
Those cabs are efficient.. not the most bottom friendly things but great low mids. The Shuttle Shinned so well through those . I did have to EQ a little though.. With some bass boost and some mid cut. Which i never do... I think i could have ised just one side of the amp through one cab at 600 watts... The Shuttle 9 would kill small animals with one of those boxes.. Just a quick gig report...
 
I did a gig tonight on rental gear.. there were to be two Schroeder cabs there and i was going to bring the Shuttle9.. Im glad i brought my MAX12 since the cabs were two 4 ohm cabs.
So i put one on each side of the MAx12.. Holy Molly!!!
Those cabs are efficient.. not the most bottom friendly things but great low mids. The Shuttle Shinned so well through those . I did have to EQ a little though.. With some bass boost and some mid cut. Which i never do... I think i could have ised just one side of the amp through one cab at 600 watts... The Shuttle 9 would kill small animals with one of those boxes.. Just a quick gig report...

Do you know what Schroeder cabs they were. I think a 9.0 through a 1212 would be a great set up.
 
Let me clarify on some of the speculations regarding the differences in the various perceived differences between the GBE, Shuttles and ShuttleMax's to keep this thread from becoming one of constant second-guessing.

All of these amps were designed and voiced by the same folks. Without pigeon-holing any particular model, the criteria considered things like the size and tuning of the specific cabinet class, style of music and expected SPL, type of player and (to a small degree) their skill and experience level that the class of amp is likely to be used with. All of these amps are switchable between 115/230/240V, making them more attractive to the international touring guys.

For example, the Shuttle 3.0 is unlikely to be desireable to a heavy metal or thrash player because it does not have enough power to be an even remotely reasonable choice but it is definately popular amongst players of Jazz, rock, causals, theatre, praise/worship, and harder styles with good PA support. Also, the 3.0 is popular amongst folks who consider size and weight of the entire rig (including speakers) of prime importance, so to accomodate this the highpass filter is set slightly higher then our other models, which improves the performance of both the amp and the typical sub-compact speakers (by any manufacturer) way down low. Note that the pre-eq DI out on all of our amps is pre HPF, so the signal you send to the board is full bandwidth (all good PA's HPF the subs anyway, so it's not something we need to address and to double up on HPF's would compromise performance).

The Shuttle 6.0 is a more mainstream amp, still probably not the ideal hard-core/metal/thrash amp due to the limited power unless good PA support is available, but will drive larger cabinets with ease. It's voicing includes a HPF with a slightly lower turnover frequency and when combined with the remaining filter and preamp voicing, is more solid into compact and larger cabinets. The LF extend frequency, slope, Q and symmetry is also voiced to improve overall performance into the larger cabinets. The tube voicing also contributes to the perceived warmness, though it's been kept somewhat subtle to be used as a tool rather than jumping out screaming TUBE OVERDRIVE. The Pre-eq DI out is before the HPF's, so into a real PA, there's zero compromise regarding LF bandwidth. This is a popular amp amongst our touring users who must rely on fly dates, it's a simple, straight ahead, compact, lightweight amp with features that a more pro player is likely to need.

The Shuttle 9.0 is very similar to the 6.0, but again has a very slightly lower HPF frequency because we have additional headroom to work with and it's unlikely that this amp would be used (at high volumes or extended low end) with sub-compact cabinets, so we have more margin to work with. The 9.0 pairs nicely with cabinets from the compact (like Neo-X 212) on up, but I caution against expecting such performance with sub-compact speakers like the STL series (or those by other manufacturers) since the amp has too much power and runs the risk of overdriving models without adequate power handling and LF excursion limiting tuning. The 9.0 would be an amp to consider for all styles provided it's paired up to a cabinet that's also suitable.

The ShuttleMax's are very similar to the Shuttle's, there is a slight difference in the voicing because of the added gain (switched) in the front end, the variable tone shaping & voicing filters, additional eq, and slightly different signal path topology. This is why they sound a little different than the Shuttles, and with the Max 12.0 used with 2 x 4 ohm speakers, of course there will be significant additional headroom which does help an amp open up when driven hard. The voicing is probably closest to the 9.0 but must be taken in context with the additional feature set. The Max 12.0 is another amp suitable for all styles when paired with an appropriate cabinet choice. The Max 12 also contains a back-up power supply that will run the entire preamp and second power amp in the unlikely event of a module failure. I do not know of this feature being used at this point, but it's nice to know it's there if you need it.

The GBE 750 & 1200 uses similar but at the same time different signal path topology, clearly these amps are not for a player looking for sub-compact or lightweight so the voicing assumes they will be used with compact or larger cabinets and high volume and low frequency extension are expected. The input voicing is a little different, the slopes and response of the HPF and the interaction with the voicing filters consider the likely player and cabinet type (certaily a better choice for hard core, thrash and heavier metal) to gove an overall different flavor within our typical voicing. The tube channel has a little more gain than the Shuttle 6/9 but less than the Max 12. The 750/1200 will both drive 2 ohm loads directly, the Max will drive a 2 ohm load comprised of 2 x 4 ohm cabinets, each driven by it's own amp module.

All in all, the differences in voicing and LF response between the Shuttle 6/9 and Max 6/12 is really very, very small. Some is due to a perception because there is additional power available which allows for more headroom when playing harder. IIRC, the difference is between 5 and 7Hz, there will be maybe as much variation in speaker response & tuning given the tolerances of the average drivers in a production sampling. Another thing to consider when evaluating perceived warmth is the contribution of the tube, and the variability that each tube brings to the table. While we have tried to minimze the variability between tube samples in the design, we have not eliminated this, so easc tube will sound slightly different.

So, for the techies here I hope this helps, and for you other guys I hope it didn't bore you to death.

thanks again, aged horse
 
Okay, so I've had my Shuttle 9.0 since the beginning of November and it's so great; as most of you know. Anyway, I play through a GB NeoX 212T.

I like the 212 but I'm having a bit of buyers remorse because originally, I was torn between that cab and getting 2 NeoX 112T's. When I got the NeoX 212 I had bought a Shuttle 6.0 but soon after I got the 6.0 and the NeoX 212, the Shuttle 9.0 came out and I was able to exchange the 6.0 and a bit more cash for the 9.0. The reason for the remorse is that I recently have some chances to play some low volume gigs and portability is most important so carting say one Neox 112 along with my Shuttle 9.0 and my bass makes it an easier schlep.

So my question is since the NeoX 112 is 300 watts at 8 ohms, if I were to use 2 of them with the Shuttle 9.0, would that be safe? How many watts would that be?

One more question: is it possible to use one NeoX 112 and a NeoX 212 with the Shuttle 9.0 ???

As always, thanks in advance for any help anyone can offer.
 
Okay, so I've had my Shuttle 9.0 since the beginning of November and it's so great; as most of you know. Anyway, I play through a GB NeoX 212T.

I like the 212 but I'm having a bit of buyers remorse because originally, I was torn between that cab and getting 2 NeoX 112T's. When I got the NeoX 212 I had bought a Shuttle 6.0 but soon after I got the 6.0 and the NeoX 212, the Shuttle 9.0 came out and I was able to exchange the 6.0 and a bit more cash for the 9.0. The reason for the remorse is that I recently have some chances to play some low volume gigs and portability is most important so carting say one Neox 112 along with my Shuttle 9.0 and my bass makes it an easier schlep.

So my question is since the NeoX 112 is 300 watts at 8 ohms, if I were to use 2 of them with the Shuttle 9.0, would that be safe? How many watts would that be?

One more question: is it possible to use one NeoX 112 and a NeoX 212 with the Shuttle 9.0 ???

As always, thanks in advance for any help anyone can offer.

Either 2 of the 112's or 1 of the 212's would be a good choice.

If you use a single 112 with the 9.0, I recommend that you use a little good judgement as the 9.0 can deliver ~600 watts at 8 ohms. In this case, I would not want the output limit light flashing more than a little bit.
 
Okay, so I've had my Shuttle 9.0 since the beginning of November and it's so great; as most of you know. Anyway, I play through a GB NeoX 212T.

I like the 212 but I'm having a bit of buyers remorse because originally, I was torn between that cab and getting 2 NeoX 112T's. When I got the NeoX 212 I had bought a Shuttle 6.0 but soon after I got the 6.0 and the NeoX 212, the Shuttle 9.0 came out and I was able to exchange the 6.0 and a bit more cash for the 9.0. The reason for the remorse is that I recently have some chances to play some low volume gigs and portability is most important so carting say one Neox 112 along with my Shuttle 9.0 and my bass makes it an easier schlep.

So my question is since the NeoX 112 is 300 watts at 8 ohms, if I were to use 2 of them with the Shuttle 9.0, would that be safe? How many watts would that be?

One more question: is it possible to use one NeoX 112 and a NeoX 212 with the Shuttle 9.0 ???

As always, thanks in advance for any help anyone can offer.

You would still be pushing 900 watts, 2 8 ohms cabs= 4 ohms total, same as your 212. Just beware, you'll be putting 500 watts into the single 12. But, if you have been running 900 watts into your 212, you know what how to handle it. The min on the 9.0 is 4 ohms, running both of these cabs would put you down to about 2.66 ohms (if my math is correct). That may be too low, and could damage your amp. Shoot me PM if you wanna get rid of your 212
 
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